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Would You Sell Kieron Dyer?

Posted by Luke on April 27, 2007 2:22 PM | 

So Tottenham Hostpur are interested in signing Kieron Dyer, but Glenn Roeder isn't interested in selling and "rubbishes" - interesting word but not in the English dictionary - stories which suggest the England international will be leaving the club this summer.

It is clear Roeder doesn't want to lose Dyer, but does the player want to stay? Will Tottenham be put off by this declaration of intent not to sell, or will they see it simply as an attempt to raise the asking price? But, perhaps more importantly, it raises the question, if you were in charge at Newcastle - nice thought I know - would you sell Dyer?

Is he the crucial part of the team some believe, the player who ,when he plays well, the team plays well, or is he an over-rated luxury player whose performances for United have not matched his reputation?

Whatever your opinion - and I'm interested to hear them - like Michael Owen's intermittent linking with a move to Manchester United I get the feeling this story will run and run all summer.

Whether Newcastle like or not, they are not a top Premiership side at the moment and that means other clubs will inevitably show an interest in their best players, whether Roeder wants to rubbish, bin, discard, laugh, shrug or smile at the stories which say that they are.

I'm not saying Newcastle will sell or they have to sell, I'm just saying other clubs are going to be tempted to ask the question given their present situation.

As for Dyer's intentions, would you be tempted to leave Newcastle for a club like Tottenham who, more likely than not, will be able to offer him European football next season, a challenge for silverware and a move closer to his family home in Ipswich?

Or are Newcastle on the way up again and Dyer would be mad to leave for a rival club which, just like Newcastle, consistently flatters to deceive and tends to pay their players considerably less as well?

Has this season just been a "freak" one because of injuries, injuries, injuries, injuries, injuries, injuries. Hey, hang on a minute, did someone mention injuries?

Newcastle have had lots of them you know. Injuries, gosh, what a bummer they are, perfect excuse - I mean reason - for such a poor season. Anyone would think the place was cursed! Actually I have some sympathy for the latter idea, something to do with people hanging from the Gallowgate end once upon time..... I don't want to bore you so I'll shut up.

As for Michael Owen he might play against Reading you know.... honestly, I don't think I can bring myself to go over it all again. Look, he might play, he might not, can't we just wait for the team sheet at Reading on Monday and forget about it until then? Nope, thought not. Well, from what I hear, England's Michael Owen has a good chance of being on the bench so there!

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Comments (48)

Commulus wrote...

What was your source for this story Luke?

Note From Luke
There is definitely something in it because I wrote the story. Then again, I think you already knew that didn't you you cheeky scamp!

Posted by: Commulus  | April 27, 2007 3:04 PM

Commulus wrote...

If I were to ask a follow up question, would I be right in thinking you would hesitate before including it in your blog?

Note From Luke
Impossible to answer that as I don't know what your question is!

Posted by: Commulus  | April 27, 2007 11:47 PM

Mr. David Turnbull wrote...

time he went 80.000 aweekis he worth it, i dont think so

Posted by: Mr. David Turnbull  | April 28, 2007 9:54 AM

Terry wrote...

I do wonder sometimes how he'll fit into our team, as he's been shuffled around the place this season and hasn't looked good on the right or centre of midfield, and hasn't played well behind or with Martins up front. I'd say if the price was right then perhaps think about letting him move on, as sometimes he just doesn't seem interested, but hey...I'm not the Manager of Newcastle, and let's all thank god for that.

Posted by: Terry  | April 28, 2007 11:24 AM

Little Lord Fauntleroy wrote...

It's been a while but in the immortal words of Gloria Gaynor (famous mother of one-time Toon striker Tommy), am back from outer space!
Not much to do up there, ask Steven Hawkings!
Anyway, Dyer.... Dyer by name, dire by nature. He was a disgrace on Sunday and I for one would definitely SELL him. If we can get what we paid for him and bring in Sidwell as a replacement, we've done well. He didn't look interested last week and seems to be going the way of our enigmatic Frenchmen Ginola & Robert. All 3 have/had undoubtable talent, but all 3 lacked the ability to perform regularly.
If a player doesn't want to play for us, then no matter how good he is, we don't want him. And that goes for Sicknote Owen as well, although I hope he does want to stay and prove a point.
Seeing him play for us again will cost me a lot of money due to a drunken bet with a friend, but it's money I'm willing to part with. I'd like Owen to stay and have a good season with us next year, but as I said earlier, let's cash in on Dyer and his shocking attitude.

Posted by: Little Lord Fauntleroy  | April 28, 2007 12:21 PM

Dave (Gosforth) wrote...

Dyer has to go. £80k a week for a player that puts in one good performance every 30 games? He has been awful the last few games, is feather weight in the tackle and surely comed under the 'surprisingly low in confidence / heads went down' category of players which Roeder said would be sold? I also laugh at the comment 'there is nobody better running with the ball at their feet' comment - C. Ronaldo, Ronaldinho come to mind, but also because of the fact that I can't actually remember Dyer doing anything noteworthy since we played Leeds United how many years ago?!! Out with the old perenial underperformers - this is precisely why we never win anything. Please also stop saying we are on the up again - competition with the likes of Everton for a free transfer signing hardly signal the dawn of a golden era.

Note From Luke
I'd like to clarify that my "on the up" phrase was a little tongue in cheek!

Posted by: Dave (Gosforth)  | April 28, 2007 12:31 PM

True Mag wrote...

Unlike some here I do think Dyer is a good player and when he plays well the team does tend to play well. However, I think he has been at the club too long, he doesn't look interested at the moment - another worrying sign of Roeder's inability to motivate his players - and if they can get a good price I'd sell him. I think it's best for everyone concerned.

Posted by: True Mag  | April 28, 2007 12:42 PM

Paul wrote...

Sell most of the over paid players as we cannot do worse than we have been for the last three years with some fresh faces. Dyer out for right price, Owen out, parker out and get in some hard working players starting with sidwell. Still think we don't take a chance on players from the lower leagues. Our scouts have not exactly worked hard in the last few years to find us players- I could have selected the purchases of Souness.

Posted by: Paul  | April 28, 2007 1:21 PM

Don, Whitley Bay wrote...

If we can recoup what we paid for Dyer, I would definately sell him. He is a perenial under-achiever who may look good in running but his finishing most of the time is abysmal. Anyway he is always injured. Could anyone on here say hand on heart that he will last for any length of time next season? Get rid if we can and take Roeder with him!

Posted by: Don, Whitley Bay  | April 28, 2007 1:53 PM

The Colonel wrote...

Dyer has never made an effective or sustained contribution to a toon campaign.80K a week is completely obscene. Get him off the books. I'd take a goldfish and a Gypsy's windmill for him.

Posted by: The Colonel  | April 28, 2007 7:26 PM

Geoff Woods wrote...

I'm glad i'm not the only one that would cash in on Dyer, I have a running argument with my mate that if you play him in the team you lose out much more than you gain. In the centre mid, he's too light weight, can't tackle and it puts too much pressure on his partner. On the right he can't cross, drifts inside continually leaving the fullback exposed and up front his finishing isn't reliable. Undoubtably he's quick and makes good runs but we see that leading to a chance maybe once every other game and i don't think its worth losing out by having Milner stuck out of postion on the left just to accomodate Dyer on the right when we could have a balanced side, or leaving sibs on the bench and having too midgets up front or weakening the centre of midfield just to get him a game. But i suppose if he's getting 80k a week ya want him doing something for it. I say cash in before they realise hes not that good.

Posted by: Geoff Woods  | April 29, 2007 12:08 AM

Commulus wrote...

I'm sure you can guess what the question is!

Note From Luke

I can't guess what the question is. I'm not a mind reader. It's not like you to be shy, just ask it and I'll decide whether I can answer it or not!

Posted by: Commulus  | April 29, 2007 12:42 AM

Andrew from Perth wrote...

He looks like every other play under Roeder - wishing he were somewhere else. He must be as bored of Roeder's rhetoric as everyone else.
However, it's been a long season for a guy coming back off a serious injury stretch. I think he's probably just run out of steam and will be better next year. If he knows what position he'll be playing in that is.

Posted by: Andrew from Perth  | April 29, 2007 10:14 AM

Richard wrote...

Kieron came back into the side in the autumn and suddenly results picked up, starting with the 1-1 draw against Arsenal.

He played really well for a couple of months but I admit he hasn't been very good recently. Then again, his best mate Titus has been treated terribly by Roeder and he is not the only player at the club who seems to be disillusioned with things at the moment. That is down to the manager, I think he has already lost tyhe dressing room and I really fear for what is going to happen next season if he remains in charge.

Posted by: Richard  | April 29, 2007 10:46 AM

sawdox wrote...

Dyer to go. Roeder to go. Shepherd to go. Any order but as quickly as possible.

Posted by: sawdox  | April 29, 2007 11:21 AM

Commulus wrote...

I just thought it would be embarrassing for you to name your source! Right, bearing in mind Roeders statement denying the proposed sale, and the fact that Dyer is one of your main contacts at the club, as well as the proposed arrival of a certain midfielder; did that story come from Dyer? If it didn’t then either Roeder is telling lies or the club is trying to flog him without telling Roeder?

Or Tottenham really do want him!

Note From Luke
Ah I see what you were getting at now. A good journalist never names his source and this isn't going to be any different. However, the source came from the Tottenham end, not Newcastle so I can only assume Spurs are interested.
As I wrote in the story, however, the wages are going to be a problem and I can't see Martin Jol paying more than six or seven million for him given his injury record. Roeder it seems does not want to sell, but that does not mean the deal won't happen.

Posted by: Commulus  | April 30, 2007 8:46 AM

Phil wrote...

Little Lord Fauntleroy Roeder said 'there is nobody FASTER running with the ball at their feet' not better and i think that is true he does not have the natural skill with the ball like the other two.

I think people are being a bit hard on Dyer he has been out with injuries for so long and looks to finally have got over them as well as playing more games this season than, well probably ever, he has done for a long time. You can see when your at the match that he looks exausted sometimes but he still makes some good runs back to take the ball, several times against Chelski.

I think next season will be a better one for him though. My main concern is that i am not sure where he will be played. I have always seen him as an impact player coming of the bench in the last 30 to stretch tired defences.

Posted by: Phil  | April 30, 2007 9:28 AM

Steve Davison wrote...

Dyer has had his chance and we should move him on. His tackling is non-existent and he has an occasional shot at goal (much akin to Lee Clarke aka Jigsaw). His best abilities are in breaking forward with the ball, but he lacks the killer touch that we see with C.Ronaldo, Scholes etc..

Posted by: Steve Davison  | April 30, 2007 10:49 AM

Commulus wrote...

Do you mean Jonathan Barnett?

Posted by: Commulus  | April 30, 2007 6:14 PM

Andrew Hush wrote...

Sell Dyer and soon,if some other mug club will have him.Spends more time acting like a playboy,and take Bramble with him ! just watched Reading game,no fight or spirit again. Roeder has to go.

Posted by: Andrew Hush  | April 30, 2007 10:29 PM

ian noble wrote...

i would drive him down to spurs. he is everything that is wrong with the club. skillful but doesnt want to know when the going is tough. gives nothing back to the club or fans. take shepherd, roeder and 3/4 of the players with you.

Posted by: ian noble  | May 1, 2007 8:29 AM

Kev wrote...

sell kieron dyer, i'd personnally carry all off his bags down to london for him. if martin jol is stupid enough to pay 7 million for Jenas hopefully he'll pay more for another over rated little pre madonna. who along with bramble is emphasises everythings that wrong with our club. so PLEASE SELL MR KIERON DYER and please dont consider giving a new contract to Titus Bramble!!

Posted by: Kev  | May 1, 2007 8:56 AM

Boris wrote...

Newcastle need to get rid of Dyer. As a player he does not perform on a more than regular basis. For somebody who is supposed to be an attacking player (although where nobody knows), he doesn't score anywhere close to enough goals, he can't unlock a defence with a clever pass and his crossing is awful. On top of this he has not got the ability to take a man on when 1 on 1. Just watch next time he plays to see what he does in these circumstances. Not very much you will find. Dyer is a hugely fit player with a vast engine and pace who, in my opinion, does a lot of nothing. Always looks busy with no end product, or overall effect on the game. To top it all off he takes £80,000 per week out of the salary budget, money that he has never, and will never justify. But there is a bigger picture to look at also. He, along with Titus Bramble embodies everything that has gone wrong with Newcastle over the last 5 years. Overpaid, underperforming prima donnas, who have no real passion to win games, or trophies. They go through the motions on the pitch. Making Dyer captain in last nights game infuriated me, and many others I know. Not a single person I have spoken to has agreed with it. He backed my opinion up when he went in the huff when told to play deeper after Emre went off. His slack pass that nearly cost a 2nd goal smacked of a man who wasn't really bothered because he wasn't getting his own way. His half-hearted effort in the last minute did more to back this up than convince otherwise. Not the attitude that a pro footballer should have, let alone a captain who should, as a minimum requirement, be leading by example. If Spurs are offering £5m, then we shouldn't look a gift horse in the mouth.

Posted by: Boris  | May 1, 2007 9:05 AM

michael wrote...

the thing is dyer is of the same character mould as jenas you remember "goldfish boy"?...anyway i think dyer is of the impression hey look at laurent robert and jenas they played crap and seemed utterly uninterested and they got what they wanted..(a transfer)so why not me..i never thought he fitted in to any newcastle side!

Posted by: michael  | May 1, 2007 9:28 AM

Brian Jackson wrote...

I think Dyer is the most over rated player of the last 5 years. He cannot turn a game and hides in most away games .
Strangly though I think he would be a good player in a good side but we are not a good side at the moment and cannot have such a luxury player consuming so much of our finances in his wages .
Sell him as soon as possible and get some one who will show comitment and wear the jersey with pride

Posted by: Brian Jackson  | May 1, 2007 10:11 AM

RAY WILSON wrote...

Sell Dyer of course we must. He is toothless in midfield,cant score goals upfront,has no defensive capabilities whatever,cant head a bal land plays one half decent game every half season.If GR cant see that then he needs new specs. The biggest let down was making him captain at Reading. If any one should have been captain it should have been Taylor. Did you all notice the passion of Taylor when Reading scored as opposed to butterfly Dyers chance to equalise in the last minute,doing what he usually does scuffing it. Also don't tell me Martins or Ameobi can head a ball. My grandaughter could have put away the two free headers that they both had.

Posted by: RAY WILSON  | May 1, 2007 10:54 AM

Martin wrote...

Dyer is a disgrace! We lost the match last night cos he gave the ball away... get sidwell in at least he fights!

Posted by: Martin  | May 1, 2007 11:51 AM

magpie marky wrote...

Dyer is a disgrace,bring back McNamee,just to boot this parasite out,right over the Leazez stand, and to refuse autographs to a young kid,[on have you'r say]just smacks of arrogance,Carr and Ameobi being the other two,they should hang their heads in shame,but I know the total waste of space won't. I hope he's Tottenhams problem soon

Posted by: magpie marky  | May 1, 2007 11:55 AM

Rach McK wrote...

Can't pass, can't control, can't dribble past anyone, can't cross, can't shoot, too lazy to run around, doesn't try, quick to blame everyone else, can't track back, can't tackle, can't head, can't even jump, can't/won't play on the right, can't play on the left, inneffective in the middle, can't play up front... You tell me, should we sell him?

Personally, I'd snap anyones hand off if they offered us anything for him. His performance last night against Reading was nothing short of a disgrace.

Posted by: Rach McK  | May 1, 2007 12:23 PM

Commulus wrote...

You do mean Jonathan Barnett!

Note From Luke
I've not spoken to Jonathan Barnett for three years so there smart ****

Posted by: Commulus  | May 1, 2007 1:27 PM

Frank wrote...

Dyer has to go.His lack of control cost the goal at Reading, Bramble hasn't learned you do not give the ball to the other side in front of your goal

Posted by: Frank  | May 1, 2007 5:04 PM

Chris Gray wrote...

I am a lifelong NUFC supporter who lived near Ipswich for ten years, had a season ticket there and saw Dyer and Bramble start out as teenagers under George Burley. I have always said, and say it again, that Kieron Dyer is in my opinion the most overrated footballer I have ever known. He was talked about as a wonder boy at 17 or 18, but he could never pass, his final ball was awful and he hardly ever scored. No one ever seemed to know what his best position was, although to start with at Ipswich he played wide right - how ironic is that? I always thought Ambrose was a better player (long term I still think he might be). I think the issue is that Dyer is a manager's player - he runs about like a headless chicken and there are still managers who like players who do that. True, he can occasionally (about three times a season) make an impact, but personally I'd rather have McNamee.

Posted by: Chris Gray  | May 2, 2007 9:27 AM

ray wrote...

the boy is just a promise, no substance just a promise of what he could do. never does it tho.

pulls out of tackles, dare not jump for the ball, always sends the ball back to the man who gives it to him (watch him, he'll drop short, recv a pass and send it straight back)

utterly useless and not just cos of Reading.

Posted by: ray  | May 2, 2007 10:43 AM

Commulus wrote...

So it was an e-mail then?

Note From Luke
Nope

Posted by: Commulus  | May 2, 2007 4:02 PM

LB wrote...

Right, let's focus on Dyers' positives............ 1. Pace, right that's it. Now let's focus on the negatives..... 1. 80,000 a week 2. Lacks consistency 3. Doesn't know his own best position 4. Can't tackle! 5. Can't pass! 6. Can't shoot! 7. Lightweight!
What the majority of this board are saying is get rid and based on what I've just stated as negatives I'd get rid of him aswell. Think it's time to get proper footballers into this club i.e sidwell, the likes of Arteta, Hunterlaar, Baines, Nugent, Barton, Van der Vaart,Kompany, Mendy.
Players out: Carr, Bramble,Moore,Babayaro,Luque,Emre,Martins,Dyer.

Posted by: LB  | May 2, 2007 5:10 PM

Cedric wrote...

SELL SELL SELL SELL SELL

Posted by: Cedric  | May 2, 2007 5:29 PM

Commulus wrote...

Not Jermaine Jenas surely!

Note From Luke
You don't give up do you? You should have been a journalist nosey Parker


Posted by: Commulus  | May 3, 2007 10:00 AM

Micky C wrote...

Yes I would sell Dyer and a few others to boot, I was shocked to hear that the top earner at Spurs, a club I still think are not as big as the toon, although higher in the league than us earn £40K p/w there's something seriously wrong with the board to be paying our under performing losers the wages they get, defo time for new blood even taking a chance on players lower leagues who would give it their all week in week out for the club. How many times in the past have we missed out on quality players from the lower divisions that would have cost next to nowt Ashton (£6mill), Bent (£7 mill)compared to the likes of Martins we could even have had Benny Mc for £4.5 mill.Changes are desparately needed throughout NUFC at all levels.

Posted by: Micky C  | May 3, 2007 12:15 PM

Dave (Gosforth) wrote...

Ok Luke - there it is, unanimous agreement that the fans want him sold, yet Roeder gets it so badly wrong, gives him the captain's armband and says it's for 'motivational reasons' as if £80k and wearing the black and white shirt every week is not motivation enough. Please get this on the back page tomorrow with the message that the fans want him out ASAP, with a footnote to Roeder that comments like we 'do not understand Kieron Dyer' are precisely the reason why he will be deservedly sacked.

Note From Luke
It certainly seems as though Newcastle's number eight would come last in a popularity contest at St James's Park!

Posted by: Dave (Gosforth)  | May 3, 2007 4:41 PM

John Peel wrote...

Dyer - All style, no substance and can't score goals. I also feel he has a lost a yard in pace and can no longer out sprint the premierships quick and agile defenders. Lets save 80k a week and recoup some money.

Posted by: John Peel  | May 3, 2007 6:18 PM

Andrew Davis wrote...

Hi Luke, i read your article and i have to say that it is great that dyer is now injury free but i have not seen him affect games like he used to and i would have to sell him but if they change manager again then he might get the best out of him.Who would be a supporter/ or a reporter.

Plus i would like to see Sol Campbell here and i think not getting him last season was laughable.

I wonder with your sources that newcastle will let roeder go.

Let me know.

Andrew

Note From Luke
It wouldn't surprise me at all Andrew. I certainly don't think he is secure and that isn't helping the players motivate themselves. Freddie will probably see how the land lies at SJP on Saturday. Roeder is clinging on at the moment by his fingertips.

Posted by: Andrew Davis  | May 3, 2007 9:46 PM

Matt wrote...

Could not help notice Commulus wants to sell Martins? What the? has been a shade inconsistant at times, but 10 times the player dyer is.

The only ones at the club i would keep are: Given/Harper/Krul, Taylor, Parker, Milner, Zoggy (if he pulls his head in and picks up his game), Martins & Owen. The rest can nick off

Posted by: Matt  | May 4, 2007 3:53 AM

Commulus wrote...

Matt,

that wasn't my post about selling Martins, it was LB!

I think LB must stand for the lovely Linda Barker from changing rooms as the post is advocating an almost total makeover!

Posted by: Commulus  | May 4, 2007 1:00 PM

Andrew Davis wrote...

Hi Luke,

The thing that worries me that we are a reflex club and i agree with you that saturdays game is really important to GR and that is quite sad really, and i live in washington, dc in the USA and i will have to get to a bar and watch the game and i hate getting up early in the morning and i think that FS should now get out of toon as this is no way to lie to a manager and say that his position was safe and now by all accounts in newspapers and online that he will be replaced by an ex makem no less.

I also think with Shola and Michael back that newcastle will let martins leave if a huge bud come's in and if they sack roeder i do hope they let him go back to the academy.

With your sources why has FS not came out with a statement and after watching the Reading game i could sense that he was ready to pull the trigger.

I think FS should speak to some of his directors as that who's fueling the rumours in my opinion.

Andrew

Posted by: Andrew Davis  | May 4, 2007 3:09 PM

LB wrote...

Matt,
Do you not think that the club needs a total makeover? Because if not you must be happy with this sterile stuff that has been dished out on and off the pitch. These players are on the lips of everyone not just mine! You must think the players I've named are the heart and soul of NUFC and should remain there along with the manager eh? Maybe you can name players you want rid of? I also didn't say sign all of the players I said we need proper footballers at the club.

Note From Luke
Alright LB, calm down. Bit chippy this morning aren't we! Ah football, bringing people together as usual.

I think everyone agrees that major changes are needed, it's just who is going to make them that's up in the air at the moment.

Posted by: LB  | May 5, 2007 11:20 AM

zulu from Durban wrote...

The Toon needs players with passion and hunger. Readers of the Chronicle (Lee what happened to the old blog?)know I was touting Benni a snip at 2.5million and see how his first season has turned out. Dyer on 80,000k per week is a joke, thats R1million per week in our money. As I said before send the scouts to the African Nation matches and see real hungry talent. PS. I`d sell Owen to Manure and reckon Arsenal will come in for Oba, and Spurs are welcome to have Sicknote on a free !!

Posted by: zulu from Durban  | May 9, 2007 7:52 AM

Dave (Gosforth) wrote...

Luke - still waiting for the 'Fans want Dyer out' headline on the back of the Chronicle - get it sorted ASAP please!

Note From Luke
As i work for The Journal I'd have a job getting that in the Chronicle!

Posted by: Dave (Gosforth)  | June 6, 2007 5:33 PM

Dave (Gosforth) wrote...

Point taken - how about the Journal then as a plan B?

Note From Luke
I doubt it, but we'll see. I've written that the majority of fans would be happy to see him leave. You'll just have to be content with that!

Posted by: Dave (Gosforth)  | June 7, 2007 5:24 PM

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