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Would Sven Or Sam Be Better?

Posted by Luke on May 3, 2007 4:21 PM | 

It can't be easy for Glenn Roeder at the moment. His team are playing like they want him to lose his job and Sam Allardyce is linked with his position in a different newspaper, radio and television show every day.

As for Sven-Goran Eriksson, well he’s bored apparently and would consider a top job in the Premiership, so you have to assume he’d want to sit in the St James’s Park hotseat if Roeder does get the chop from Freddie Shepherd.

It is a messy and confusing business, although it is clear Roeder is not sitting securely at the moment. When Newcastle were knocked out of the Uefa Cup back in March, Shepherd was quick to insist his manager was safe, but is that still the case?

I don’t like to bore you with statistics, I prefer to do that with my thoughts and opinions, but the old stats book does not make good reading for Roeder.

The 1-0 defeat away to Reading on Monday evening was their sixteenth in the league this season, equalling their biggest tally since their promotion to the Premiership in 1993. They have amassed 42 points, two fewer than in 2004-05 and 1997-98, their worst previous totals, and their past nine Premiership matches have brought just one victory, six points and three goals. Erm, no matter how you twist it, that really isn’t very good is it.

They have failed to score in eight out of their last 11 games and have not played well since the 4-2 first leg win over Alkmaar at the start of March. I supposed you could argue the goal-less draws against Chelsea and Arsenal were good, but I’m not the biggest fan of goal-less home draws. If that’s the limit of your ambition - whoever the opposition are - football really is in trouble.

The players look unmotivated and unorganised. Morale is low and relations between players, manager and supporters increasingly strained. In short, it is a miserable situation compounded by the joy which has greeted Sunderland’s rapid improvements under Roy Keane.

The question is, has Roeder gone as far as he can and needs to be replaced or does he deserve to be given the benefit of doubt after a season of injuries? Would Allardyce of Eriksson be a better choice?

With a transfer budget of millions at stake, with major rebuilding work needed on the defence and with the futures of the likes of Kieron Dyer and Michael Owen to sort out this summer, it is a hugely important question for Newcastle and a hugely important decision for Shepherd.

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Comments (24)

Dave (Gosforth) wrote...

Anything has to be better than Roeder, who has no tactical ability, player-pull or charisma in general. His only talent seems to be the ability to contradict himself on a daily basis and to send fans into disbelief by making Dyer captain instead of showing him the door. If NUFC want to get serious and win things, they should appoint van Gaal manager, not Allardyce or Eriksson. Sadly, I think one of them will end up in charge, playing their brand of direct football, with Shepherd continuing to run the club as a franchise, selling the new shirt to idiots willing to camp out over night and using the word 'jordy' in every sentence. I will not be renewing my season ticket - there comes a time when you have to let the head rule the heart.

Posted by: Dave (Gosforth)  | May 3, 2007 6:20 PM

Brian wrote...

To answer your question Big Sam is the best of those on offer. GR is a really nice person but I feel he lacks the ruthless arrogant streak you need to have to be a top manager. He is tactically naive, cannot motivate the squad has turned one of our best young players into a very mediocre midfielder (CZ).

Actually now I think about it Sven is a GR in disguise I think they are the same person, or GR Sven?? now I'm confused.

Note From Luke
You're not the only one! I might be stupid, but I'm not adverse to the idea of Sven coming in. Excellent record in club management and he is an international name who can attract big name players. Just a thought, don't shoot me!

Posted by: Brian  | May 4, 2007 8:44 AM

jim wakenshaw wrote...

Roeder is not up to the job!.He did well initially,but he was never the answer long term.Bring on Big Sam!

Posted by: jim wakenshaw  | May 4, 2007 9:12 AM

sawdox wrote...

I'm a bit perplexed at the question. You're writing a blog so you must have internet connection and therefore access to forums etc.
Allardyce was a whisker away from being appointed England boss (and probably should have been). If Roeder was currently unemployed would he be anywhere near being interviewed for England or even another Premiership club? No chance. Roeder out asap and Allardyce in.

Note From Luke
I might be stupid, but I'm not adverse to the idea of Sven coming in. Excellent record in club management and he is an international name who can attract big name players. Just a thought, don't shoot me!

Posted by: sawdox  | May 4, 2007 10:00 AM

Ronnie ( Busker ) Lambert wrote...

Before last season, I was of the opinion that Big Sam's football was all spoiling and long balls. But after speculation about his coming here came and went, I started to closely observe his tactics and style of play, and to my surprise found it a lot more professional, even more entertaining to watch than ' nice Glen's ' fare. Then I watched a T.V. report about his prolific backroom staff and their mountain high standards of fitness, diet and health and compared them with what seems an amateur set-up at St. James'. I mean, I've never seen such a shambolic exhibition of unfit, unwilling players in all my 45 years of unstinting support of this potentially great club. Bottom line is, Allardyce for me is a guaranteed step up from where we languish at present, Sven is not. His lifestyle appears to be his priority, and who knows the extent to which ' his ' influence had on the mediocre England team as opposed to his backroom's ? We hardly saw two games the same, even with the cream of the Premiership's players, so no thanks Sven. I couldn't visualise him and Nancy whooping it up on the Quayside for more than a weekend anyway. A new man is definitely needed now though, before Glen does a Souness with the chequebook and we have to suffer another 2 years of ' If only...'

Posted by: Ronnie ( Busker ) Lambert  | May 4, 2007 11:11 AM

Blandandtedious wrote...

Sam Allardyce for manager indeed, this has the words 'Betting scam' written all over it!

The next thing you know the fans will be voting for the blighter in straw polls and bringing out dossiers with stuff about how great he is. Some say he’s a technically brilliant coach, who optimises the percentage game, utilising modern technology and instilling discipline with a broodingly ominous presence, well to me he’s just a teacup thowing Jim Smith with a blue tooth in his lug!

I'm going for a long shot with odds at 92,000,000 on 1 Helen Chamberlain the first woman to take charge of a premiership club apart from Glenn Roeder.

Posted by: Blandandtedious  | May 4, 2007 1:25 PM

Don, Whitley Bay wrote...

Where do people get the idea that Roeder is such a nice man? To me he is totally arrogant and seems to go against the fans opinion at every opportunity. He is always right and cannot be advised on anything. The sooner he goes the better. He is no better than GS. As someone has already said, anyone would be as good as Roeder, probably a whole lot better. They certainly could not be any worse. If I had to pick between the 2 managers mentioned I would probably go for Sam. Of course he may not be here long if a new manager is needed for England, as given the chance of the job, I feel sure he would take it.

Posted by: Don, Whitley Bay  | May 4, 2007 2:25 PM

Nicko wrote...

Agree completely with Ronnie. Allardyce has the qualities to take us upwards by instilling motivation, belief, fitness, tactical awareness and solid structure into a Newcastle team lacking all of these. He did a great job at Bolton but imagine what he could do with a bigger budget and a set of players capable of better things. It's been a grim season but I'd support Roeder to continue if Newcastle had shown any signs of improvement or promise. They haven't. Please make changes now Mr Shepherd, before it's too late.

Posted by: Nicko  | May 4, 2007 2:48 PM

Brian Jackson wrote...

I am afraid that a change is now essential and whilst I am not his greatest fan , at least big Sam would steady our ship and maybe motivate our players to at least play to their potential.His track record shows that he is at capable of getting players and teams to perform above their ability and thats is what is needed by us at the moment.I dont believe there is enough money in the kitty to rebuild our squad , so what we need is someone with the ability to get the best out of what we have and maybe big sam is that man.
I dont think it will be pretty but I might just be prepared to put up with that if it gets us into top 6 . I believe the premier league is as poor as it has ever been with only the top 4 having any real quality. Therefore all it would take to be in the top 6 is the ability to be slightly better than the rest of the mediocre 16 sides in the division.
Sven would want money to spend that we dont have and would want big name players and I think that would be a gamble too far .

Posted by: Brian Jackson  | May 4, 2007 4:47 PM

Paul wrote...

I agree with the comments about all this "isn't Roeder a nice man" rubbish.
My neighbour is a canny bloke but is clueless about football so I wouldn't want him managing Newcastle either.
Allardyce seems to be flavour of the month with some Newcastle fans but I would rather see Van Gaal in charge any day of the week.

Posted by: Paul  | May 5, 2007 10:20 AM

Andrew Sanderson wrote...

There's only one name - Guus Hiddink. He's a total legend. Failing that, Sven's the man to take Newcastle up to the next level. We're in danger of wallowing in that mid table black hole which makes it difficult to sign and keep top players.

It has become painfully clear that Roeder is clueless who should be managing the Keystone Cops Football Club. We're going backward at warp speed.

Posted by: Andrew Sanderson  | May 5, 2007 1:24 PM

Swanston wrote...

At the end of the day you just cant see GR taking on the like's of Fergie or any of the other top 10 managers in tactics or passion.
He has the best interests of the club at heart but just hasnt the cutting edge to take us any further.
Big sam is bursting with all the quallites that GR lacks and needs to take us forward.
He may not be my first choice as manager but if we have a choice of the two it's an easy one

Posted by: Swanston  | May 5, 2007 2:24 PM

Sims wrote...

I too agree with the comments about all this "isn't Roeder a nice man" rubbish. If he was such a nice man and cared passionately for this club, he would realise he is out of his depth and do what's best for this club !!!

Posted by: Sims  | May 6, 2007 1:41 AM

RAY WILSON wrote...

Surely after Blackburn Roeder has to go.I am sick of the nice man and good coach comments frequently assigned to him. In my view he has not got a clue. His team patterns and team selections have been appalling all season,never mind this stupid excuse regarding injuries. Tha players who came in for the injured performed better than his so called first team squad with the exception of Owen. How can we trust this man to spend money in the close season when we all know his judgement is pathetic. It mist be when he pins so much hope in the likes of Dyer and Ameobi. He will probably go out and sign more of the same. I dont think he would know a prospect if he fell over one.Apart from that as we all know we have just witnessed a season of the worst football we have seen from our team in a generation. Dont tell me he deserves to stay he has taken us back years. If you dont agree then look at the stats they never lie.this pandering to him has got to stop,we will be in a worse state with this guy next season and only a little worse will see us relegated. Not good enough Roeder be honest and resign.

Posted by: RAY WILSON  | May 6, 2007 11:59 AM

Wallace wrote...

Roeder's worst results have beeen when he had his first choices available. The kids motivate themselves, the players get themselves up when playing one of the top four but for thebread and butter stuff the manager has to earn his corn. Roeder has signally failed to do that and has to go. Allardyce is not a top manager like Mourinhio, Benitez, Capello or Hiddink but he is probably the best of the rest.

Posted by: Wallace  | May 6, 2007 6:41 PM

Kevin Guthrie wrote...

Please please PLEASE!!!Do not go for (big Sam) we have seen his type of football for the last couple of seasons. Look at the top 4 teams not an englishman in site, we need a man like Houllier, Hinddink or van gaal some one that knows what proper football is not kicking balls up into the air and hope for the best.

Posted by: Kevin Guthrie  | May 7, 2007 10:14 AM

Luke wrote...

Sven or Sam or a.n.other, please Lord, not Steve Bruce!!!

Note From Luke
This comment was not left by me! There are other people in the world called Luke you know!

Anyway, Luke, how are you? Agree with you about Steve Bruce, but I'm sticking to my Sven for Newcastle campaign. At the moment it appears to have one main supporter, me!

Posted by: Luke  | May 7, 2007 10:26 AM

Bell wrote...

Well personally i thought GR was a good man, what about a couple of seasons ago when he took the toon from relegation candadites to a place in the UEFA cup??
Then again this season doesnt justify anything positive about him and the team, personally I think a foreign manager in the mould of Rafa Benitez or even like Mourinho would be good, a manager who can identify talent in the form of a gamebreaker, all the top teams have one like Gerrard, Lampard, Ronaldo so who hav we?? another thoght after reading in the potntial candidates of van Gaal, Alladyce, Sven, what about Alan Shearer??

Posted by: Bell  | May 7, 2007 10:45 AM

jimmy wrote...

Big Sam's not the man but he will get the job thats the newcastle way.Big freddy has already made his mind up.Glenn Roeder should have stuck to his word when he said he didnt want the job he might have still got his job back at the academy.

Note From Luke
A good point Jimmy. Glenn insisted he didn't want the job when he became caretaker, but I think he got a little carried away with himself when things went well last season. Know he's out of work. Ambition is an admirable thing, but by all accounts he was doing a good job at the Academy and should have stayed there.

Posted by: jimmy  | May 7, 2007 7:25 PM

noel hanna wrote...

I'm not a Newcastle Utd supporter (Derby County) but I do love the north-east, and if I was, I wouldn't be too excited about Sam Allardyce.I feel Bolton is about his level and that Newcastle should aim higher than that.I feel you should bring back the little big man - Kevin Keegan.

Posted by: noel hanna  | May 7, 2007 8:56 PM

Liam Clarke wrote...

Neither.

I would like to see Houllier given the job. He won six trophies at Liverpool and has continued in this vain by putting together a successful side at Lyon whilst having players like Essien sold to keep the books balanced. He has the pedigree and has managed at the highest level.

Allardyce may start well but I dont like watching "big man upfront" teams as football has moved on from that and anyone who wastes Annelka out wide cant be that sussed in football terms. Sure he knows how to spoil matches and frustrate good sides although I would concede that what he achieved at Bolton merits respect.

Id prefer Mark Hughes before Allardyce.

Posted by: Liam Clarke  | May 8, 2007 12:56 AM

steven patterson wrote...

I honestly do not know why people are so against big sam. what he has done with bolton is unbelievable! On paper, you look at their team and fancy your chances, however, cometh the match, they were always very organised and disciplined and he has always got the best out of average players i.e davies, diouf. What i admire about him is his approach to the game and his attention to finer details. When you hear him talk on tv, you listen, because he talks so much sense. He would inherit a good squad at the toon, and with a few astute signings we should easily be back in the top 6-8 next year, and challenging for cups etc. Im sure sven, hiddink, van gaal would all be superb, in time, however, allardyce has the knowledge of the english game and is a man manager, which is what newcastle players need. i would say he may even get the best out of luque and titus, but that would be a miracle!!

Posted by: steven patterson  | May 8, 2007 8:31 AM

jimmy wrote...

I hear man city are trying to steal Sam Allardyce from under our noses please let that be true!!

I agree with liam clarke and i would like to see somebody in the mould of Houllier if not Houllier himself.

Posted by: jimmy  | May 8, 2007 7:06 PM

Patzo wrote...

I've got nothing against GR but I'm relieved he's stepped down - without holding out for an obscene payout!
On the other hand, however much Big Sam talks about football, and whatever miracles he's worked on a tight budget, I can't see his brand of football being a bigger success than that of any of the last few managers we've had, SBR excepted (at times).
But Houllier is a name to conjure with. He did a good job at Liverpool and is doing a great job at Lyon (after a lot of good work by Paul Le Guen). Admittedly, he's got four Brazilians on his first team sheet, but Lyon are a treat to watch and even in France, you need to be a class act to be 16 points clear at the top. Remember Troyes, though struggling at the bottom of the French league that season, totally outclassed us in the Intertoto. We didn't fare well against Monaco or Marseilles either... and we were lucky against Metz.
Also, Houllier has a lot of contacts for good young players - the same sources as Wenger would do me. I watch him regularly on French TV and he talks a lot of sense too. Now if he could prise Juninho (the other one..) away from Lyon for a season or two, it would be great to have a manager who has won things and is respected in England and in Europe, as well as one or more midfielders who know where the goal is.

Posted by: Patzo  | May 9, 2007 11:23 PM

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