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It Is A Tough Call On Obafemi Martins

Posted by Luke on June 29, 2007 12:08 PM | 

Far be it for me to tell Sam Allardyce how to do his job, but if Arsenal offer £13m for Obafemi Martins I'd not only take the cheque off them, I'd throw in a complimentary mug and offer to pay the Nigerian's First Class train fare to London.

It’s not that Martins is a bad player, far from it. For a first season in English football, a return of 17 goals is a fantastic achievement - Darren Bent scored 13 last season and has just signed for Tottenham for £16m - and I don’t think it is beyond the realms of fantasy to suggest that, without his goals, Newcastle could have been relegated.

But I have, as regular readers will know, two doubts about him. His attitude and application and his ability to play effectively alongside Michael Owen.

There has been a new buzz word at St James’s Park this week - get out clause. Come to think of it, that’s more a phrase than a word, but anyway.

Michael Owen has one - despite Freddie Shepherd’s previous denials - and so too, we have discovered this week, does Martins.

Of course the big difference is that the one in Owen’s contract gets less the longer he stays at the club - currently it’s £9m - which doesn’t seem to be the cleverest example of business acumen, but at least the club had the sense to ask for more money than they paid to sign the player in the case of Martins.

If Martins goes to Arsenal there will be some supporters who oppose the decision. Foreign footballers generally take at least one season to settle in English football, he’s young and has plenty of scope for improvement. Last season could merely a be a glimpse of his full potential.

But I would argue there will also be a large section who see it as the correct thing to do. A three million profit and the chance to invest it in a player like Barcelona’s Eidur Gudjohnsen or Bolton’s Nicolas Anelka would have Del Boy rubbing his hands in glee.

I should perhaps point out here that the reference to Del Boy is merely a metaphor for a tidy piece of wheeling and dealing. I’m not implying in any way that Allardyce is like the character from Only Fools And Horses!

There is also the fact that the former Inter Milan forward has not exactly endeared himself to fans or teammates with his little “I’m too good to be a substitute� strop at Watford on the last day of last season.

Given that, as things stand, Allardyce will have Martins, Owen, Mark Viduka and Shola Ameobi, as well as Kieron Dyer if necessary, to deploy in an attacking role next season, there is going to be a certain amount of squad rotation next season.

As thing stand, I would predict that Owen and Viduka - at least when he gets back from the Asia Cup - will be the first-choice pair next season.

How will Martins cope with that? He doesn’t seem to like the idea of being on the bench does he!? And how will he cope with the fact that he will always play second fiddle to England’s Michael Owen?

I suppose the flip side of that is, while I doubt very much that Owen will be leaving before the start of the season, there is going to be constant speculation about his future and there is another transfer window in January by which time, Little Mo will have hopefully proved his fitness and his goalscoring touch!

If Martins is allowed to leave and then Owen does one in the New Year, Newcastle will suddenly be light on goalscorers again and the decision to sell Martins would look like a silly one.

It’s a tough call for Allardyce, presuming Arsenal’s interest in Martins is real and not another summer transfer speculation fabrication, but they are precisely the sort of decisions he is paid to make.

If I was in his shoes, however, I’d sell Martins and use the money to buy Gudjohnsen and/or Anelka, which would leave a sizeable sum to invest elsewhere. However the key thing is to have a replacement lined up. What do you reckon?

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Comments (45)

Little Lord Fauntleroy wrote...

Fair point Landmine!
I think the 4 strikers we currently have look a good proposition for the new season until you consider the fact that Owen will leave, whether it be before August 31st or in January after he's scored 20 goals, Viduka will play until October before the temperatures plummet and his 'hamstring' plays up again. Then we have Shola & Oba.... I too would cash in on Oba. It makes good business sense to get £13 million for a kid whose first touch resembles that of the gable end of the East Wing of Fauntleroy Towers, not to mention his inability to head a ball. That leaves Shola. Good old Shola. Shame they closed the mines coz he's never looked the same since they took his cart off his back!

If I was in charge, I'd try and get Gudjohnsen - he always scored against us, so it would be nice if he could score for us - and maybe attempt to bring in Dean Ashton or David Nugent. That way, IF we keep Owen, we might have something that resembles a half decent squad this time around.

Posted by: Little Lord Fauntleroy  | June 29, 2007 12:51 PM

iain wrote...

The problem with selling Matins is you take away our ability to score goals out of nothing, an ability that shearer had that dragged us out of sticky situations quite often. shola, owen, viduka, gudjonsen all have good qualities but non of them have that ability oba has to score goals like the screamer at spurs or his first goal for us in europe. The problem is compounded by the fact that we dont really have that ability in any of our midfield players either bar the odd one from milner, although barton could yet solve that problem. i wouldt mind defoe as a like for like replacement for martins if he leaves, he scores goals out of nothing, has pace and is probably a little more better on the ball than oba is. If the potential is there for Oba to improve then surely given a run of games defoe could do the same. defoe is younger than gudjohnsen and has a better scoring record at pl level.

Posted by: iain  | June 29, 2007 1:19 PM

medan wrote...

I personally would advise Martins to move to Arsenal for 4 reasons 1] I do not believe Sam is building a team for the future based on his signing. 2] Oba has better chance of relising his potential under Wenger than he does under Sam as his strength is not developing young players but getting the best out of misfits or washed up players 3] If I was Oba I would not want to be second fiddle to Michael Owen. 4] Arsenal is playing a very good attacking football that would fit Martins style instead how Newcastle will be playing next season based on the players they have.

I also disagree that Oba has a problem playing in rotation as he did that with Inter Milan for 4 yrs.

Note From Luke
As for the final point, he left Inter Milan precisely because he was playing in a squad rotation system and he was frustrated at not being the main striker.

Posted by: medan  | June 29, 2007 2:55 PM

True Mag wrote...

Some valid points Luke, but my worry is that Martins will get better and better. He is still very young and he will have benefited from one year's experience in the Premiership.
I think we have to accept that, if Owen scores lots of goals, other clubs will come in for him, meet the price of the get out clause and he will be off. We can't afford to lose both of them, even if we get Gudjohnsen who I believe is one of the best strikers in Europe without getting the recognition he deserves.

You're right, though, it's a tough call because a £3m profit on a player who hasn't got a first touch and who regularly went missing in games that he was needed - Alkmaar away being the prime example - is tempting.

Ultimately, it's up to Big Sam, but if he can keep Owen happy and get Gudjohnsen, I'm willing to sacrifice Martins

Posted by: True Mag  | June 29, 2007 3:14 PM

medan wrote...

Actually Luke, you are wrong I followed Martins career for a long time and the reason he left Inter is not becuase he did not want to be in a rotation but as Inter brought in Crespo and Ibra (2 extra stikers) he felt he would be pushed down the pecking order and would not get enough play which is a valid concern if you believe you are good player and want to develop. Would Micheal Owen accept comming off the bench as subitute once a while that a role for player like Sib at the end of their career.

In terms of making too much emphasis on first touch, missing on games blablal. I believe it is nonsense when the guy played in a crap team that has horrible midfield and worse defense, not to mention horrible Managerial decsions like Alkmaar. Need I remind you that is was Roeder who decided to play defence football to protect the lead, how the hell can you blame that on Martins?


Anways hope Martins moves to Arsenal.

Note From Luke
Martins was the not the only one in Alkmmar who should hang his head in shame, but his lack of interest was all too evident and it is not the first time his attitude has been questioned. Sam Allardyce, however, might be the person to sort that out, but at £13m, I just think that's too good to turn down when there are better playyers out there who would be better suited to playing with Owen

Posted by: medan  | June 29, 2007 7:47 PM

John wrote...

I think all of you who think oba martins needs to go are being extremely harsh. You talk about his first touch like its a liability! It is not as bad as you people make out. He is a very good prospect. Something we do NOT HAVE IN ABUNDANCE OR AT ALL IN ATTACK. He will get better. As for what he can offer us right now, I think it is beneficial for NEWCASTLE and most definitely better than the alternative of the slow, ageing Gudjohnsen. Who knows if he can even handle the premiership now. If we get him its a bad move. Oba has searing pace, a good jump, is strong and causes many problems and has shown that he can be moulded into a clinical striker (with exceptional composure at times which even developed strikers cannot even master.) Who better than to learn off than Michael Owen? His consistency in front of goal will improve as he matures. Furthermore it was clear so many times last season the impact of having a player like martins has. He genuinely scares defenders and makes them panic. Why would you want to lose that!

I'm not sure what happened at the end of last season at watford. And i might agree with you Mr Edwards that he has some attitude issues. But Big Sam can iron them out. And plus if your gonna criticise his attitude then I hope you have personally requested for Dyer to be kicked out. He is MUCH MORE WORSE THAN Oba. And has been unbelievably unprofessional at times. I dont think he knows sometimes just which club he is representing. This is not the sunday league football. He is a troublemaker and I do not think he is completely committed to us with his performances. I am personally shocked and horrified that he is even in mind as a possible captain for our team. It seems like we just hand out the captain's armband these days!!!

I think that one of the main reasons for our failure last season in terms of attack was not replacing shearer with a player with his style. A traditional out and out striker. A true target man (instead of BANKING ON AMEOBI), which is why i think viduka was a good signing. He is natural target man, his movement and everything.

I feel this whole scenario regarding the get-out clauses is ridiculous. We have just recently appointed new board members, one of which is a lawyer. Surely the most sensible and glaringly obvious thing to do in the case of oba martins would be to offer him a new contract. He has already said he is happy at newcastle and would see out his contract. I doubt he will move.

With Owen however, i'm not sure if he's quiet because he feels he's definitely staying and does not not need to communicate this through the media or whether he is keeping an eye out for bigger clubs. I personally think the excuse of proving his fitness is garbage, if his knee injury had not heeled properly we would most definitely have known by now. He is not gonna have a setback!!! He may not be as quick but he is quick enough to cause problems and has not lost his goal-scoring instincts. Ruud Van Nistelrooy had a serious knee injury before making his swith to old trafford for £19.85M, i don't think he proved his fitness as such to SAF. Owen is £9M! Its hardly breaking the bank. I personally don't think he would go. If there was any interested clubs something would have happened by now. Clubs ideally would like to bring in players before pre-season training. Amd players with release clauses are easier to get. Need i say more?

Ultimately, why should we need to sacrifice Oba. OFFER HIM A NEW CONTRACT. Its that EASY. He said he wants to stay, and if Owen stays try to do that with him also. If they both refuse then it looks like our defence will not be the only thing that needs revamping.

IF Oba leaves then I would like to see either Afonso Alves or Anelka come in rather than Gudjohnsen.

I think we should also try and get Alou Diarra for depth in midfield and also he would be ideal in a 4-3-3 diarra-barton-emre.

Posted by: John  | June 29, 2007 10:53 PM

Siomi wrote...

As a Newcastle supporter I would really hate to see Obafemi leave. I believe he is on the verge of becoming one of the very top strikers in Europe, a true successor to Shearer, and it would be wonderful if he was scoring all those goals for us. As an Obafemi supporter however, I think he should move to Arsenal if they make an offer for him. I hate to say it, but he will really achieve more under Wenger in the dynamic attacking team that is Arsenal, not Newcastle. Hope he stays, but pleased for him if he goes!

Posted by: Siomi  | June 30, 2007 6:44 AM

Gary Walls wrote...

For me, the only way we can prepare for next season and ensure these get out clauses doesn't come back to bite us is to trigger martins and cash in on him and buy 2 out of the three from Defoe, Anelka and Gudjohnsson.

Only then if Vids has hamstring injuries and Owen triggers his in Jan we are still sitting with 2, Ameobi for cover and Dyer, Carrol sitting there as potential last resort cover. keeping one player with a get oyt clause is acceptable but not 2 - get rid ASAP (I would even sit martins down and say sign a new contract or we'll offload you now - your choice).

Posted by: Gary Walls  | June 30, 2007 9:20 AM

dennis shek wrote...

We need to eradicate these clauses fast, whether increase their salary as i think Martins deserves it as he was a gamble at 10 million last year but potentially he could be a massive asset. No other striker has his pace, not even Owen, not only that but he has that flare, his shooting power is amazing, he is 2 footed and other he is a "hot head" I feel Sam can tame him, after all Sam has tamed Anelka, Diouf...
With our recent bargain budget spending, even the 6 million for Gudjohnsen is pretty low considering our apparently 50 million budget. Would an offer for Tevez wet our appetites?

Note From Luke
Interesting idea about Tevez, but can't see it happening I'm afraid.

Posted by: dennis shek  | June 30, 2007 9:47 AM

Paul Patterson wrote...

Personally (Here Goes) I'd sell Owen before Martins as he has so far shown no loyalty to us, only his real club England. If we do indeed sign Gudjonsson it would be brilliant business. Then IF Martins does decide to leave (I would push him out to Juventus rather than Arsenal) I'd get Defoe as a straight replacement. Simple. Viduka, Defoe, Gudjonsson and Ameobi up front. Paul

Note From Luke
You make it all sound so simple Paul. I like that!

Posted by: Paul Patterson  | June 30, 2007 9:55 AM

Ivor Clark wrote...

Al this repeated focus on strikers misses the point that what we need is a team that can score goals, whether from defenders, midfielders, wingers or strikers. We seem to be constantly obsessed with the idea of a 20 goals per season striker when really what we need are goals from elsewhere. Note Keegans team scored from all over the place!. I doubt Allardyce will want to keep any players from previous management regimes in the long term so Oba could go, but sooner rather than later please, so we can replace him before the season starts.

Note From Luke
Keegan's teams also had an out and out goalscorer like Andy Cole, Les Ferdinand or Alan Shearer

Posted by: Ivor Clark  | June 30, 2007 9:58 AM

Tom Jolly wrote...

I personally feel we would be wrong to sell Oba. Ok, like many of you people suggest, he doesnt have the greaest first touch although i do recall the game against blackburn in the final minute when he ghosted past 2 defenders like they wernt there when recieveing the ball on the break... and slotted into an empty net. Martins gives us that pace up front which worried most PL teams last season. He does sometmes have a tendency for going missing but as somebody else mentioned he will suddenly pop up. Against tottenham away? didnt do anything for well over 60 mins then won us the game with 2 bits of magic. Scoring and providing. I think its time for us toon fans to be greatful forhaving such a good talent... i think he provides us with a more loyal asset than owen who dearly loves his 110k plus wage. Not only this, Martins has twice the pace of a fully fit owen which say's something, and their is no defender in the game other than possibly toure/gallas who would have a hope of catching Martins. As you can probably see, im all for keeping Oba and feel he's now worth 20 million if people are prepared to pay 16.5 for Bent.

Posted by: Tom Jolly  | June 30, 2007 10:54 AM

Manc Geordie wrote...

Martins is a good prospect based on his return last season and as mentioned a rare striker who can score wonderful goals. He also had little support last term did he?

I blame Shepherd for leaving us in this awful situation with the get out clauses and Big Sam must be pulling his hair out.

If I were Sam, I would invest now and get 2 top class strikers in to put the pressure back on Owen and Martins. Gudjohnson and Defoe - both proven and need a chance.

If I was Ashley I would re negotiate Martins and Owen contracts to take out the get out clauses or let them go now. If they say no and then no one comes in and they stay, don't play them - give the club the power NOT the players. To think we may lose them both on the last day of the window with no replacements isn't worth thinking about.

As goals from midfield, that was the biggest problem last season - no threat. Talking to City fans Barton will answer this problem and be the player of the year.

Posted by: Manc Geordie  | June 30, 2007 11:01 AM

Rich wrote...

I actually like Martins style of play and think it would be a great shame to sell him at this point in time. Yes, his first touch is poor, but he's still young and this is the sort of thing that can be worked on, and i believe he'll only improve.

If you look at the season just past, the whole team has underachieve bar a few players, and that also means less opportunities for goals crafted out, in a team thats looked to have next to no creativity in midfield at all. Oba has still managed to score 17 goals in that team, in his FIRST season in the prem! I think thats a decent achievement, highlighted by the fact a top team in Arsenal want him now.

On top of all that, yes we'd make 3 million on him, but is that really all that much in todays market? 13 million wont buy you a top top class striker nowadays, just look at Darren Bents inflated price tag and see the evidence. Also Martins seems to be pretty durable, and he played almost constantly last season with only one short injury spell. Does anyone really think Owen and Viduka wont be out for at least one decent lengthed period of the season next year?!

Posted by: Rich  | June 30, 2007 11:29 AM

John wrote...

I wrote a huge amount last night about this topic!!! Why has it not been posted up?

Note From Luke
Alright John, calm down, I've only just logged on to check if there were any comments and I'm putting them up now. I don't sit tied to my computer desk on a Friday night you know!

Posted by: John  | June 30, 2007 11:38 AM

albert mooney wrote...

i think the striking options we have look good.the defence looks to be shaping up with the players he has seemingly lined up. my concern is the midfield especially out wide can we provide the amunition to supply the strikers.we need somebody on the flanks to make your hair stand on end. go and try to sign quaresma from porto and state our intentions this season !

Note From Luke
Good point about the wingers, although Geremi would be a good signing. I used to really like him when he was at Middlesbrough

Posted by: albert mooney  | June 30, 2007 11:48 AM

Jamie Tobin wrote...

I don't think we should cash in on oba. I feel he could work very well playing just behind the front two. And we also need him, because by the start of te 2008/2009 season the only way Michael Owen will be at Newcastle is if we make Champions League. And I do not see Eidur Gudjonhson or Anelka in the same category as Oba. Oba is going to be a real star and I think Allardyce is the man to sort out his problems.

Posted by: Jamie Tobin  | June 30, 2007 11:50 AM

Anonymous wrote...

Owen's get out clause will decrease as you so validly point out, but it only comes into effect if we do not qualify for Europe. This means that if Owen does stay, and I see absolutely no reason why he wouldn't want to be at a top club like ours, especially with whats happening at the moment, the clause cannot be activated. He cannot use the same clause in January if we are being successful.

This brings us to Martins. any player who can score 17 goals in his very first season in the premiership and at such a young age in a struggling team will become a 40 goals a season man in my books.

I don't think £13 million is a fair reflection of his worth. Why would he want to join a team in the decline like Arsenal anyhow. Wenger will probably be the toons manager next year anyhow, unless sam can get us champions league football.

As for the remark about maybe not being able to play together, I will take you back to what Alan Shearer said after Les Ferdinand was signed.

He was asked whether his and Ferdinands styles were to similar and whether he believed they could play together.

His response was " if you have two players with quality, they can always develop an understanding"

Shearer and Ferdinand did well didn't they? The papers at the time thought they wouldn't be able to play together. They become arguably one of Newcastles greatest ever pairings.

I would further argue, that Owen and Martins have the necessary quality and will therefore also adapt an understanding.

Note From Luke
Articulate and interesting argument. Just a shame you can't remember to put your name on them. Dur!

Posted by: Anonymous  | June 30, 2007 12:28 PM

Espen wrote...

Selling Martins would be a huge mistake, he's a nice character and a great player as well. Owen don't really want to stay in Newcastle, why keep him then? Martins don't have a problem with staying, he's been out saying he's happy here lots of times, while Owen who's collecting 110k a week never made any statement like that.

Get rid of Owen if any of them have to leave, he sees himself as bigger than the club, something he's not!

Posted by: Espen  | June 30, 2007 12:30 PM

funlovingexpress wrote...

Owen's get out clause will decrease as you so validly point out, but it only comes into effect if we do not qualify for Europe. This means that if Owen does stay, and I see absolutely no reason why he wouldn't want to be at a top club like ours, especially with whats happening at the moment, the clause cannot be activated. He cannot use the same clause in January if we are being successful.

This brings us to Martins. any player who can score 17 goals in his very first season in the premiership and at such a young age in a struggling team will become a 40 goals a season man in my books.

I don't think £13 million is a fair reflection of his worth. Why would he want to join a team in the decline like Arsenal anyhow. Wenger will probably be the toons manager next year anyhow, unless sam can get us champions league football.

As for the remark about maybe not being able to play together, I will take you back to what Alan Shearer said after Les Ferdinand was signed.

He was asked whether his and Ferdinands styles were to similar and whether he believed they could play together.

His response was " if you have two players with quality, they can always develop an understanding"

Shearer and Ferdinand did well didn't they? The papers at the time thought they wouldn't be able to play together. They become arguably one of Newcastles greatest ever pairings.

I would further argue, that Owen and Martins have the necessary quality and will therefore also adapt an understanding.

They are both still young, they could be our twin strikers for the next 8 years. I personally think that is something to be savoured not diminished.

Posted by: funlovingexpress  | June 30, 2007 12:30 PM

funlovingexpress wrote...

thanks for the compliment Luke. My pc has been acting up and somehow the incomplete posting was submitted. The second one, which you also have shown is the complete one.

Posted by: funlovingexpress  | June 30, 2007 2:06 PM

Chris wrote...

Anelka and Gudjohnsen are too old to be wasting money on, we wont get any return for them, eidur is nearly 29 and anelka is 28, we need to be looking at young talent like Defoe, Nugent or Lita.
the last 2 only have 1 year left on their contracts, while Defoe has just 2 so wont cost a fortune.
Also i could see Alan Smith at 26 being a good buy at around £5 million.

I hope Owen signs a new contract or leaves now, else he'll go in january or next summer for next to nothing.

Posted by: Chris  | June 30, 2007 3:45 PM

Prince Egekwu wrote...

I will prefer Owen to go than Martins. Owen is injury prone and may not last the whole season without injury. He is not passionate about Newcastle while Martins has publicly stated he want to stay at Newcastle. I will advise Sam Alardyce to go for Gudjohnson in case Owen or Martins trigger their clauses. I am exited at what is happening at Newcastle right now. The feel good factor is returning.

Posted by: Prince Egekwu  | June 30, 2007 4:54 PM

Paul Patterson wrote...

RE Tom Jolly: You along with others have commented that Martins is worth a lot more now than when we bought him, well wrong Im afraid- He's worth £13m, Well done Freddy! As for Owen dropping best part of £10 mill on a player is scandelous.

Very pleased with the likes of Geremi and Edmilson (If fit) being linked and Gudjonsson would be brilliant. But with Duff out for a while we need a left winger as well as left back. Downing anyone?

Plus who does everyone want to see Captain, my votes for Taylor in the future but Butt or Barton in the present.

Imagine Barton as Captain - Hide the cigars! Paul.

Posted by: Paul Patterson  | June 30, 2007 5:42 PM

rob_kewl wrote...

If Martins is as bad as we say, why on earth are Arsenal looking into buying him ? We'll never be a BIG TEAM if we keep selling our best players to our rivals. I wouldn't imagine Manc.Utd or Chelsea letting any of their top players to their main rivals

Posted by: rob_kewl  | July 2, 2007 1:46 AM

Ronnie Lambert wrote...

After watching Luque on u-tube last week and being blown away by his ability in every department of striking ( please everyone take a look eh? pun intended ), I did a total u-turn on the lad. Not only is he head and shoulders better than Martins, but he reminded me of Shearer in his poaching vision and dynamite shot. If Sam can work his magic on him and make him feel loved and wanted, this kid would be better than anything we've got, and b*****s to the get-out clausers. Luq/Viduk would be a cracking partnership. We've treated this lad abominably and it's killed his confidence, but remember, form is only temporary but skill is irreplaceable. It was never going to happen alongside the very selfish, blinkered Martins with a touch like Nelly the elephant, but Roeder's blame in his demise cannot be overlooked also. He went from being a superstar in Spain to a nervous wreck in months, for which we all must share a bit of the blame. Come on Sam, get your shrinks onto the kid, he's great man.

Note From Luke
Big Sam has made much of his ability to get the best out of difficult characters so it will be very interesting to see what happens with Albert. In fact Ronnie, I might write an entire blog entry on that matter later today. Thanks for the inspiration

Posted by: Ronnie Lambert  | July 2, 2007 11:08 AM

peter watson wrote...

this much talked about owen get out clause based upon newcastle not achieving european football is it also based upon owen sitting on the sidelines for just short of 2 yrs, the way he started out alongside shearer and the goals they scored, possibly newcastle would be in europe and this would not be a issue.

Posted by: peter watson  | July 2, 2007 11:47 AM

Craig wrote...

We should keep them both, however If Sam has any brains he will already ahve targets in mind if one or both of Owen and Martins leave noe or more likely in January. We have to remeber that for a combined 22 million we could more than replace them both! Defoe and Gudjohnsen for example would cost only 13-14 million!

Posted by: Craig  | July 2, 2007 12:48 PM

Phil wrote...

I personally like the idea of (when all fit and available) Viduka with owen and martins playing off him. I may get crucified for thinking this but just look at it, it would get us so many goals, Viduka being a great target man, brilliant at holding the ball up and is very good at picking the right pass, Owen has the brain to make intelligent runs and martins' explosive pace!We now also have the signs of having the midfield that can accomodate this as we've got plenty of creators, a lot of pace and a couple of good defensive midfielders ( butt and geremi) The only problem would be picking the 3 in midfield: Dyer, butt, milner, barton, Zog, Duff(when fit), possibly geremi(if not in defence, and emre!! But in that you have a great mix of defensive and attacking minded midfielders. I would say Barton has to be in there as he is the only all-rounder in my opinion, but after that obviously it would be down to who plays well together and performs. All this would obviously be dependant on us sorting out the defence first as in order to play 3 in midfield you need a highly competent back four!

Posted by: Phil  | July 2, 2007 1:45 PM

Toonrooster wrote...

Hi Luke,et al,

I'm sure Martins won't be at the Toon by the end of the window. Remember it's 31 August and by then Vid will be back. Probably the deal is already done hence our interest in Gudjohnson. Martins is not a BSA type of player and BSA has already "advertised" the fact several times about the get out clause, if that's not flagging up that he wants rid then I don't know what is? The incident at Watford and some funny business in Lagos recently all count against Martins as well I'm afraid. In BSA's eyes £13m is good money compared to BSA's type of centre forward at around £5-6 million max. I'm really sad cos I think Martins will become an excellent player that will come back to haunt us.

I also think BSA would happily let Owen go but nobody is going to give him the £100 thou+ per week until he's proved that he's still got some of his pace and goal poaching skills.

I just wish there was a proper left full back somewhere out there on the radar that would come to the Toon. We must go into the new season with better than just CB available surely?
Note From Luke
I can't imagine Celestine will get a look in, but he's proved to be a survivor throughout his career. He'll just stay and collect his wages even if he isn't in the team.

Posted by: Toonrooster  | July 2, 2007 8:27 PM

charlie wrote...

Reading comments by SA about K Dyer if Chelsea/Spurs want Dyer to replace Lampard I am available to take him down to London any time as I have plenty of holidays he must be the most overated over paid waste of time get rid ASAP and replace with someone who wants to play for the club. Has anyone noticed that when he comes on for England he runs around for about 10 mins then nothing after that.

Note From Luke
You're a Kieron Dyer fan then!

Posted by: charlie  | July 2, 2007 10:20 PM

jeddi wrote...

you talk about obas attitude when weve put up with dyer :refusing to play on the right(then playing on the left for england at sjp),throwing the armband on the floor, fighting with bowyer,rape scandals,constant injury, lack of interest ect ect. and as for shola, when was the last time any other club showed any interest in shola? there is a reason for this, no one thinks hes very good exept us. "he`ll come good" "you should see him in training" "england under 21"(haha) are comments im sick of hearing,people keep talking about obas first touch, while not a mention of sholas `bambi on ice` performances.
i say get rid of dyer (before barton gets his hands on him) and see if we can get rid of ameobi (to a championship team)and bring in gudjonsson. keep martins man, hes going to be class wenger doesnt want him for nowt. if he can score 17 in his first season with hardly any service (and hardly any pens) whats he gona be like when he relax`s and stops trying so hard to impress the hoards of fans who for some reason just cant accept hes wearing `big al`s shirt`
give the lad a chance cause itll be yous saying "he didnt play like that for us"(even though you dont want to give him a chance) when hes a world beater for a team that appreciates what they've got (as usuall)

Posted by: jeddi  | July 2, 2007 10:42 PM

jeddi wrote...

canit wait to here yi blog on luque luke so nash on ind git it posted ;-)

Note From Luke
Erm, what? I might have lived in Newcastle for 10 years but that's Dutch to me mate!

Posted by: jeddi  | July 2, 2007 10:44 PM

Mark in Washington DC wrote...

I think the general opinion is that no one knows whether we sould sell or not. Martins over the period of last season began to grow in to what potentially could be a first rate premier striker, pace, power strength and a sweet boot....all this when he is on form. Whie he has all of these attributes he still seems to lack that consistent 'team player' quality. There have been all to many times were if he had passed and moved rathe than trying to run round people then I think even in his frist season he could have scored more goals...this does worry me as he as grown as a premiership striker but the one to many touch's still remains. Do we sell him or are we shooting ourselves in the foot. If we do seel yes it makes financial sence, however thats only if we can replace him with another player who can step stright in to the mould..not another player who will take a year to find his feet. Best option, keep him till Jnauary and then make the decision. As a great baker once said "if you are hungry, don't bake a cake and give it away. enjoy the taste and savour the sweet taste of your acheivements"

COME ON THE LADS AND KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK SAM.

Posted by: Mark in Washington DC  | July 3, 2007 2:30 AM

zulu wrote...

Think it is obvious that MO was signed to get the season tickets sales going, just like the headlines "Mags bid for Rooney". Please get OM and MO to sign new contracts, or release them. Players have got far too much power, and NUFC is always going to be bigger than any one player. Benny McCarthy is a far better bet than Bent, Defoe or any number of other names mentioned on this site this past week and would cost less than either MO or OM.

Note From Luke
Hmm Benni McCarthy, he would be quite good wouldn't he. Why has everyone started using the initials when referring to Newcastle players? Maybe I could do the same in match reports.

A great save from SG whose long kick was flicked on by MV. DD sprinted on to the pass, looked up and then squared to unmarked KD who fell over and CN tapped into the empty net

Posted by: zulu  | July 3, 2007 8:53 AM

John C wrote...

Personally I think Owen should go. The way he acts sickens me. He has had ample opportunity to come out and pledge loyalty, do you think Mr Ferguson at Old Trafford would let him off with the pitiful excuses that he's been spouting out?? I think if the club has the plans it claims it does then why not force him to come out and pledge loyalty. Should he choose not to then immediately put him on the transfer list. Yes this will have the effect of annoying Owen but really who cares, he's shown us NOTHING so far. I'm not Martins biggest fan but at least he says he wants to play for us.
As for Gudjohnsen, no not for me. My worry being that EG has nothing to prove anymore, he's been there done that. His attitude was called into question at Barcelona, if he cant be bothered playing for arguably the worlds biggest club, what will he be like back at Newcastle with the temptation of hitting the quayside with Dyer?
For reference, unlike the majority, I am a big fan of Kieron Dyer.

Note From Luke
You know when people in the Middle Ages were hung for being witches just because they made Onion Soup. Well admitting to liking Kieron Dyer on this blog site is tantamount to witchcraft! Don't worry though, I still think he's a good player, but then I can get away with it, it's my site! You're a brave man John C, don't let anyone know where you live!

Posted by: John C  | July 3, 2007 9:28 AM

Paul Patterson wrote...

I haven't got a problem with people liking Mr Dyer chaps, but could someone PLEASE tell me what he actually does?

He can't shoot, he can't cross, he can't pass unless it's under 5 yards, he can't tackle, he can't head. He DOES run a bit.

Paula Radcliffe does that.

Add that to his list of personal failing (IE: refusing to play right wing and tossing the captains armband aside in smogland) ((Those I will never forgive him for))
I can't see why anyone would even consider keeping him.

Tottenham want him you say?

How much?

Forget the fee, we will pay £5m, you have Dyer and we will take Defoe, now he can pass, shoot, head, run, and put a ball in the box. Paul.

Posted by: Paul Patterson  | July 3, 2007 11:46 AM

Ron wrote...

Obafemi's best days are ahead of him - keep him. Owen's best days are behind him - if someone HAS to go it should be Owen. However I think Owen will stay until January - OK, so we need a replacement, preferably now rather than January.
I'd be happy with Defoe or (lights touchpaper) Bellamy.
Viduka is a big man with one (or two if he gives up playing for his country) season(s) ahead of him. Therefore this is the year to see if Ameobi or Carroll can break through. This season is your final chance I'm afraid Shola - we need to see you play like you did when you were the lone striker against Arsenal a couple of years ago. Carroll has next season as well.

Posted by: Ron  | July 3, 2007 6:53 PM

John Bamborough wrote...

The constant speculation surrounding the futures of Martins and Owen with the toon are becoming a bit boring to be honest. As a lifelong newcastle supporter I have always held the belief that irrespective of the player, if they are not 100% behind the cause then they are not worth hanging on to. Martins and Owen are no different in my view

Note From Luke
Good point John, although it is part of a manager's job to ensure that there is unity and commitment in the dressing room. As I've always argued, players - whether we like it or not - are not always self motivated.

Posted by: John Bamborough  | July 4, 2007 3:42 AM

Richard Clow wrote...

Oba has to stay hes only a kid with so much ability he will become a world class star. I would also do everything to keep hold of owen as with viduka also could be the best strikeforce in the country!i agree with a couple of comments posted about the need for a winger that can run at defenders and score goals like ginola and keith gillespie used to do back in our most successful years for a long time what you think?big sam will have the defence sorted and with a winger i really think we can finish top 4 next season am i being unrealistic?

Posted by: Richard Clow  | July 4, 2007 12:09 PM

mark searle wrote...

sell martins,buy crouch and gudjohnsen,it is height newcastle need up front thats what was wrong last season owen and martins under 6 foot not very useful on set plays and corners

Posted by: mark searle  | July 4, 2007 4:46 PM

gary magill wrote...

come on arsenal get him

Posted by: gary magill  | August 1, 2007 6:00 PM

yomex yomex wrote...

you all talk about keeping owen, when the striker is as good as finished. £110k/week and injury prone. i guess its more of patriotic football than passionate football. anyway i would love to see oba in arsenal.....(the luxury of europe, cannot be refused. come on OBA!)

Posted by: yomex yomex  | August 1, 2007 8:07 PM

akande sunday wrote...

i am nigerian born my advice to martins is to leave newcastle for arsenal because we dont know our big sam is doing two nigeria player likewise, look at okocha,s case all want okocha did to bolton they paid him bad. for his own good he should leave newcastle for them i want him in arsenal squad today is the last day of the transfer if he can still make it i pray for wenger we approve him bye from sunday

Note From Luke
I think time has run out for you Sunday as the window is almost shut. Perhaps Oba will leave in January if Sam plays Owen instead of Martins lots

Posted by: akande sunday  | August 30, 2007 12:51 PM

victor wrote...

pls how much is obafemi martins collecting weekly.

About £55,000 a week

Posted by: victor  | April 19, 2008 6:30 PM

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