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How Much Did He Cost?!

Posted by Luke on August 9, 2007 1:31 PM | 

There have been plenty of jokes about Scottish goalkeepers through the years - apparently something to do with England winning 9-3 at Wembley in 1961 - but Sunderland supporters will hope Craig Gordon doesn’t become the latest.

At £9m, the Black Cats have made their most ambitious signing yet under Roy Keane, a signing which has certainly made its mark and, as a declaration of intent, breaking the British transfer record for a goalkeeper shows the Wearsiders mean business on their return to the Premiership.

However, while it is undoubtedly a positive signing and a big coup for a club which has had its fair share of troubles in the transfer market this summer - David Nugent and Leighton Baines spring to mind - it is also one which inevitably comes with a risk because of the size of the fee.

Keane has correctly argued that nobody would bat an eyelid if he had spent £9m on a top striker, even though the goalkeeping position is just as important in terms of saving and winning points over the course of the season. Just look at Peter Schmeichel and Manchester United - particularly a certain game at St James’s Park in 1996!

He also argued that Gordon should not be in the least bit concerned about how much money had been paid for him because that was down to the two clubs to sort out, but there will still be more pressure on Gordon than most other players this season.

In an ideal world the former Hearts man would be able to forget all about how much money he has cost, unfortunately nobody else will!

Sadly, as is the norm in sport, nobody will mention it when he is playing well, but the first time he makes a mistake it will be £9m man this and £9m that. It’s just the way of the world I’m afraid, look what happened when Andy Cole went to Old Trafford. He could do no wrong when he was at Newcastle, but as soon as Manchester United paid a lot of money for him people were waiting for - and wanted to help him - fail.

Nevertheless, the capture of Gordon should be celebrated by Sunderland because it is easily their biggest and best signing of the summer. Gordon has been tracked by a number of Premiership clubs for years, including Arsenal’s Arsene Wenger, he is an established international and, at 24, he can only get better.

The Black Cats also managed to persuade him to move to the Stadium of Light, despite interest from two established Premiership clubs in Aston Villa and Manchester City. After missing out on Nugent and Baines, this was proof that Keane does have the pulling power to get top players.

Now all he has to do is gel them into a team which can hold on its own in the top flight. As I’ve said before, I wouldn’t bet against him doing just that either.

And neither will, you suspect, the journalist who made the mistake of asking Keane whether survival was his main target this season.

“I don’t want you to ever mention that word again� said Keane. “We are not here just to make up the numbers, I don’t like that word and I don’t want to hear that word. We certainly aren’t just thinking about survival, what does that mean anyway 15th, 16th.... �

Okaaaaay, so not contemplating relegation then, moving swiftly on....

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Comments (14)

Paul Patterson wrote...

Who was the Journalist who asked the question, please don’t tell me it was you Luke!

People shouldn’t be scared to point out the bleeding obvious to Roy Keane

If Sunderland survive this season then they will be VERY lucky, they’ve paid £5m for a player with NO premiership track record, who was released for £500k 12 months previous.

Now if they had got Defoe or Viduka even??

On this bloody goalkeeping thing, What a comment that was from Mr Keane, “Nobody would bat an eyelid if he signed a striker for £9m�?? Well, If you put a World Class Goalkeeper in front of a rubbish defence then all your doing is keeping the score down every week.

The exception to the rule is our very own Shay Given, for whom we simply can’t put a price on, if you took him out of our side then over the last five years our final position in the league would have been five places or so lower.

My point being that if you have a decent (But not great) keeper then that will suffice, but the lack of REAL firepower up front will hinder ANY progress up the table.

In 1996, as you point out, Peter Schmeichel, along with “Kung Fu� Cantona, won the league, where as we had a decent but not great keeper in Srnicek. The reason we lost the league that year was Les Ferdinand’s goals dried up after festivities in 1995, The Man Utd duo wouldn’t have had a chance to influence anything if we had had a half dozen extra goals to fall back on.

I take great pleasure in watching Sunderland squirm, as Im sure those lovely Mackems do when we do, but Im getting to be more analytical as years go by, therefore I can’t seem to see any point in flashing £9m on a shot stopper (No matter how good) but leaving the goals for tally on the ground.

Paul.

Note From Luke
It wasn't me who asked the question. Strong argument again, but you contradict yourself on goalkeepers when you say Shay is indisposable in the next paragraph. Keane is saying that, like Shay, the goalkeeping position is vital. If Newcastle had not had Shay, by your reckoning, they would have been relegated.

Posted by: Paul Patterson  | August 9, 2007 3:30 PM

Rachel McK wrote...

"After missing out on Nugent and Baines, this was proof that Keane does have the pulling power to get top players."

Hardly... Sven's Man City and O'Neil's Villa don't much pulling power but there was hardly a plethora of clubs after him, was there? Could you have seen him still signing if Everton, Spurs or Blackburn etc. were in for him?

It'd be even more interesting if they can keep hold of him if he single handedly keeps them up and a host of top clubs come in for him at the end of the season.

Who knows? Maybe Nosworthy really IS a good defender and Gordon isn't even needed....

Note From Luke
Now now Rachel, be nice. Just because Newcastle won the race to sign Alan Smith there is no need to get cocky!

Posted by: Rachel McK  | August 9, 2007 4:53 PM

Paul Patterson wrote...

Yes fair point, but Newcastle United for those years had Alan Shearer, Craig Bellamy, Nobby Solano, Laurent Robert, Gary Speed, etc, to make sure all Super Shays great work didn't end up in vain,(Most of the time we got away with it)

Do Sunderland have the equivelant?? Nah.

Yes without Shay we may have been relegated last season, but Martins gave us 20 goals as a security.

Now you can't tell me that Chopra and Gordon are going to make a huge difference and match the list of Newcastle players I've just gave you.

That was my point.

Paul.

Note From Luke
I'm not saying Sunderland will finish above Newcastle next season, but as you know, I do think they will stay up.

Posted by: Paul Patterson  | August 9, 2007 5:10 PM

Paul Patterson wrote...

I just can't see any of the Sunderland strikers breaking 10 goals each, which would make a goalkeepers job redundant.

Derby, sadly are nailed on before we even start, but I think Birmingham have strengthened well, so too have Fulham, West Ham etc.

But I agree, Wigan and Reading could be dragged in.

I like the derby games so want Sunderland to maintain status, but my head says, not enough quality, so we have to disregard the "Keane Effect"

Gut Instict for relegation say: Derby, Sunderland (And whilst they probably won't go down, my long shot betting brain will kick in and predict) Aston Villa or Boro.

All the best for the coming campaign.

Paul.

Posted by: Paul Patterson  | August 9, 2007 11:42 PM

Dan wrote...

Personally I think £9m for a goalkeeper is a good price considering the inflated market we are now dealing with. Look at other prem clubs goalies, Jaaskelainen, Friedel, Given - indepensible to their clubs but what would their value be? Easily 10-15 million. The only way to get a good deal on a good goalie is if hes out of contract, for which most clubs give out new deals long before the existing one runs out. Now to Sunderlands campaign, i'm a Newcastle fan but I respect Sunderland, especially for what Quinn and Keane have done to the club. I can't see them getting relegated but I think they'll struggle for those vital points and end up around 15th. I think if they can stay up and provide a few good home performances starting with spurs on sunday then I think they will start to erase the memory of being the laughing stock of the prem and can attract bigger signings to go on and threaten the top half next season. I must say i'd rather see NUFC beat a strong Sunderland side than the pitiful ones that have been seen in recent years. Middlesbrough tho are goin down I think, especialy if they lose Yakubu. And my beloved Newcastle, top 6 hopefully, tho i'll be happy with a top half finish and signs that we are going somewhere.

Posted by: Dan  | August 10, 2007 1:06 AM

Luke wrote...

Think the mackems may have made a decent long term investment in Gordon, but would agree, that the price paid appears steep, however, we (and other clubs) have had problems signing decent defenders and there seem to be more defenders around than goalies I reckon; GBP6m for a 21 year old left back with no EPL experience...our track record with Spaniards have been worrying and, with the dawn of a new era, I trust that our luck on this front will change though.

Back to our own goalkeeping issues, it may not be too long before we need to consider bringing in a top class goalie as Shay and Harps gets on in years - whom do we sign then...and for how much? So wouldn't laugh at the mackems (just yet), and upon reflection, can live with the arguement that the position is just as important as, say, the strikers, you only have to look at Shay and Harps (and Krul) whom have epitomised the importance of have a good goalie set-up.

All said, do hope Gordon keeps the mackems in the top-flight...because I love it, just love it, when we kick 'em all over the park!

Posted by: Luke  | August 10, 2007 6:39 AM

Rachel McK wrote...

LOL, didn't Smudge turn down Sunderland and Boro before Newcastle even made a bid?

Note From Luke
No he turned them down after Newcastle made a bid. Sunderland have never confirmed they were after him, although poor old Boro were

Posted by: Rachel McK  | August 10, 2007 9:41 AM

Shaun wrote...

When will Newcastle fans accept that it is not all about individual talent. Newcastle in individual terms should have been in the top six for the past 6 - 7 years, even last season with all the injuries Newcastle's first team on paper should still of finished above the likes of Reading, Bolton etc. I admit your team on paper does look better than Sunderland's, but as you well know unless you have a squad like Arsenal, Man U, Liverpool, Chelsea and probably Spurs now any team can beat anybody. It's about how they play together, unity has been missing from Newcastle from years now. As for Chopra, I do disagree with his signing, however I think he has got the potential to score alot of goals. Maybe stupid comparrison but Phillips didn't make a name for himself until he was 25 - 26. And you can't tell me he was given a chance at Newcastle, a Striker needs a decent run of games and I'm sure Chopra never had more than 3 in a row at Newcastle. Would you drop Owen if he didn't score in 3 games?

Note From Luke
Shaun, I think the success of Chopra at Sunderland will be one of the most interesting aspects of the season. If he scored 12 or more league goals next season, Sunderland will be fine, if he struggles the team could struggle badly as well.
But as you say, Phillips was a bit of a nobody before he went to Sunderland at an older age than Chopra

Posted by: Shaun  | August 10, 2007 10:09 AM

Ben wrote...

Isn't it funny how Newcastle fans seem to have the need to put down Sunderland - almost as if they need to make themselves feel better. I am very happy with the signing of Gordon, and with all of the other Keane signings. The fans trust his judgement, and I really can't see us having to 'survive' this season. And I am saying that Sunderland will finish above Newcastle, purely because we are a more patient set of fans who don't expect successes where there is no evidence of any - I think the pressure of having to perform beyond capabilities will mean big Sam won't get the right attitude from the players.

I have always been happy to say, Sunderland are a club that know where they have been, know where they want to be and know how to get there (eventually I'm sure) - but I just can't see the same thing at St. James

Anyway, like I said, good signing, the amount doesn't bother me at all really, it's just an inflated price due to the market.

Peace out.
Ben

Note From Luke
Well said Ben, although I'm not sure you are going to bring world peace via this blog. Will you be so calm and collected a few weeks into the season, though, I wonder?

Posted by: Ben  | August 10, 2007 11:10 AM

tim wrote...

totally off the subject, but damien duff was mentioned on football365 today.

100% honestly and truthfully, i had completely forgotten that he played for us!

Note From Luke
That's quite damning really isn't it!

Posted by: tim  | August 10, 2007 12:18 PM

Big Kev wrote...

Luke, can you stop saying that the Mackems beat Villa & City to Gordon. The fact is Villa were never given permission to speak to the keeper, he was due to speak to Villa the day after his medical at Sunderland (wednesday) but was never allowed. City were never a serious bidder (more a smoke screen to increase any price) they needed a keeper & people(you included it seems)put 2 & 2 together & made 5!! These are FACTS, ask Gordon, Hearts or the players agent.
Cheers mate,
Kev

Note From Luke
Well I was told that Gordon did travel down to Villa to meet Martin O'Neill, at least this was the information given by Niall Quinn. As for the City interest, you might be right.

Posted by: Big Kev  | August 10, 2007 2:41 PM

Big Kev wrote...

Thanks for the reply Luke. The info I have is that at around 8pm on Tuesday Gordon informed Sunderland he would sign after being told by Hearts that they would not be giving Villa permission to speak to him. Not that it matters I supose, let's just see how he gets on eh. Is he worth £9m? Only time will tell.

Cheers,
Kev

Posted by: Big Kev  | August 10, 2007 5:09 PM

GS wrote...

Why are we talking about the mackems?

Anyway, Ben and Luke. Do you know what passive aggressive is?

Read your post Ben, read the reply you made Luke.

Pretty easy to see that you are seeing things through Sunderland tainted glasses

Posted by: GS  | August 13, 2007 9:22 AM

True Mag wrote...

I bet they don't get £9m back for him when they are relegated!

Posted by: True Mag  | August 13, 2007 5:36 PM

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