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What To Do With Kieron Dyer?

Posted by Luke on August 6, 2007 2:02 PM | 

Like him or loath him - and I know there are number who can’t stand him - I don’t think anyone was happy with what happened to Kieron Dyer on Friday.

Whether there is sympathy for his desire to be closer to his family, a general feeling that he has gone stale at Newcastle United or a burning hatred of the player, most supporters would have accepted that a £6m move to West Ham was mutually beneficial.

Newcastle were getting a decent fee for one of their biggest earners, which has already been invested in a replacement - more of that later - and West Ham were getting an England international who, at 28, is supposedly in his prime.

But no, Newcastle throw their toys out of the pram and decide they want more money, West Ham spit their dummies out and refuse. The transfer collapses at the last minute and Kieron is stuck in limbo, not wanted at the club he wants to leave and no longer wanted by the club he was supposed to be going to.

So what happens now? Sam Allardyce has told Kieron to forget about the disappointment of the transfer collapsing, but I suspect that might be easier said than done.

Indeed, I would suggest that we are unlikely to see Dyer in a first team squad for the foreseeable future because Allardyce has already planned for life without him and the player’s mental state is far from positive.

Which all means United have turned down £6m for a player whose value will only fall if does not play at Newcastle before the next transfer window opens in January and they will also have to continue to pay his £80,000 a week wages.

If you ask me -and you haven’t but I’m going to tell you anyway - the decision to up the transfer fee was a bit like a card player who has just won a sizeable hand at poker, but decides to gamble again and loses it all.

There are some who would say business - particularly when it comes to negotiating - is like playing a hand of poker. You don’t want to show your hand to the opposition while simultaneously trying to work out what sort of hand they are playing with.

On this occasion Newcastle - or rather owner Mike Ashley who is believed to intervened at the last minute - has played the wrong hand.

Whether the deal is revived remains to be seen and it is certainly not beyond the realms of possibility, but for now, Allardyce will have to use all of his self-proclaimed man-management skills if he wants to bring Dyer back into the fold.

As for those supporters who are desperate to see Dyer leave, will they continue their hate campaign now that he has been forced to return to the club or accept that this can be counter-productive?

Finally, I cannot see how Alan Smith is actually a replacement for Dyer. I know he played in midfield at Manchester United, but I don’t think anyone at Old Trafford thought it was a particularly successful switch.

So has he been signed as a striker - and he insists this is his best position - or is he a midfielder. Then again, nobody ever really seems to know what Dyer’s best position is, so perhaps he is the idea replacement!

If he’s a striker, did Newcastle really need another one with Michael Owen, Mark Viduka, Obafemi Martins and Shola Ameobi already on the books?

Given that Allardyce believes he did, I suspect this means he is looking to use a 4-3-3 formation regularly next season, with Smith and Viduka either side of Owen - if fit - or Martins.

As I wrote in my match report from the Sampdoria game, keeping everyone happy is going to be a difficult task for the new manager this season. Owen will expect to start when fit, but Martins and Smith left Inter Milan and Manchester United respectively because of the competition for places.

Over to you Sam, but it will be extremely interesting - although I think we can rule a certain Mr Dyer out of the equation - to see who starts up front at Bolton on Saturday.

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Comments (24)

Commulus wrote...

Stick a pony in me pocket,
I'll fetch the suitcase from the van.
Cos if you want the best 'uns,
But you don't ask questions,
Then brother, I'm your man.
We'll take Kieron to one side
and Ashley for a ride
But here's the one that's drivin' me beserk,
How did we get away without a points deduction over the Tevez deal?
La-la-la
La-lala-la
La-la-la
La-lala-la.

Note From Luke
You're back on form I see and the first person to leave a little ditty as a comment. Superb. Do you think it'll catch on as a terrace chant?

Posted by: Commulus  | August 6, 2007 2:46 PM

True Mag wrote...

I just don't understand the thinking behind the decision to try and get more money for Kieron. I don't blame West Ham for pulling the plug on it, why should they have to pay £2m when they had already agreed a fee?
Was it Mike Ashley flexing his muscles and trying to prove himself to other Premiership club owners?

Where it leaves Dyer now I don't know. He obviously felt he was leaving and probably feels as though he has been badly treated. In many respects he has, but he could go up in the estimations of many fans if he comes back and gives his all to the team.

Posted by: True Mag  | August 6, 2007 2:48 PM

Commulus wrote...

Kieron is greatly misunderstood, and I guess many people simply can’t see the man past the bling or the footballer for that matter! Has he been on ‘Footballers Cribs’ yet? I bet he’s got a Zebra skin rug!

Anyhow, I just want you to know I would never condone the throwing of eggs at Kieron Dyers House, or indeed at Kieron, I’m a vegetarian, therefore an alternative would have to be sought which was ecologically and morally acceptable. Bricks or pieces of building site rubble would be the most appropriate alternative, so long as they didn’t inadvertently ricochet off him and injure some unsuspecting ant sheltering under a blade of grass.

Luke, there is no hate campaign against Kieron Dyer I even have a picture of him on my wall, although the darts do tend to obscure his …

That’s enough of that, self censorship imposed.

Of course the maestro should be welcomed back like a long lost son…although not a favourite son.

Posted by: Commulus  | August 6, 2007 4:48 PM

mum wrote...

What on earth are NUFC playing at? Keiron has had a very dodgey relationship with the fans for a while now - not completely justified. He is a good player who has been beset by injuries and a variety of lurid newspaper headlines, not always true. He has not had the best of times at Newcastle and has indicated a desire to be nearer his two children in Ipswich so a move down south seems a good one. Then when a club is found that is willing to pay his high wages and provide a new lease of life for him someone (Ashley?) scuppers it all by going back on the original deal and asking more money. Who will benefit? No-one. NUFC has an expensive player who is thoroughly disenchanted and so unlikely to give of his best and no much needed money. A player who needs a new start is left high and dry and disillusioned. I have seen Keiron play some great football and when I have met him have found him extremely likeable. I can only wish him good luck in sorting this mix up out.

Note From Luke
You tell them mum! See, he's a nice boy really, well he's polite to my mum anyway!

Posted by: mum  | August 6, 2007 6:18 PM

ray wrote...

I just don't understand why Kieron Dyer has to move South to be with his children. Why can't his children move North to be with their Dad, who is in Newcastle for his job! They would not be the first to do so, and he would not be the first to move his family to be with him.

Note From Luke
Yes Ray, that a valid point, although I don't think their mum wants to move them out of Ipswich. People from that little town tend to stay where they are for some reason, don't ask me, they're country folk!

Posted by:  ray  | August 7, 2007 6:04 AM

iain wrote...

i have to say im taking some pleasure from watching dyer squirm. its about time he felt whats its like to be massivly let down and betrayed for a change. you reap what you sow.

i think nufc were surprised he even passed the medical, the original price was probably set on creating some interest as probably sam thought he would fail the medical, then at least he could say he gave dyer the chance to leave before getting him to knuckle down and focused playing for us. the fact he passed the medical must have alerted a few other clubs and tempted ashley to put the price up. in todays market 8m is a very fair price for a player of dyer's ability, even more so now it's known he can pass a medical.

Posted by: iain  | August 7, 2007 9:26 AM

dave wrote...

Are we sure Mr Dyer wasn't insisting on his so called "loyalty payment" from NUFC, thus his effective value to NUFC from the sale being only £4m. If that is so, and let's face it it was his choice to engineer the move for so called family reasons, which we all know is a smokescreen, then why should NUFC have to give him £2m to leave. Don't think so bonny lad !!! There is more here than meets the eye.

Note From Luke
I don't know if he was insisting on any loyalty payments, but i know - Joey Barton for example - that plenty of players do want to get their greedy little hands on some extra cash when they leave a club. However, Sam and Mike Ashley have only complained about West Ham behaviour so far, although I'm sure they're not exactly thrilled with Dyer either.

Posted by: dave  | August 7, 2007 9:33 AM

Pablo wrote...

You know, sometimes, I just can't get my head round the logic behind some peoples comments, no more so than when it comes to football. How many times have we said that we buy players for WAY too much, and sell players for WAY too little? I for one am glad NUFC pulled out and re-valued Dyer to £8m. Its about damn time we stopped giving players away. I will never say that Dyer has been the best player we've had at the club, and sometimes his unfulfilled potential is a huge frustration, but one or two toon players aside, Dyer is one of the few that seem to do the most running in almost every game. Granted, his finishing touch sometimes has about as much polish as a brick, and he's certainly not the most skillful or braveplayer to grace our pitch, but so many times Dyer - for me - just doesn't stop. The "F off to West Ham" bunch of idiots at the Juve game, the NUFC "ultras" - yea, good on you lads - nothing like supporting your team, eh? I agree that a move is best for all concerned, but it's about time NUFC don't just throw players out for a toffee crisp and a bag of peanuts...

Note From Luke
If Scott Parker is worth £7m then Dyer may well have been under-valued initially, but I guess that is because he wants to leave whereas Parker supposedly didn't. £8m was a fair price in my book, but £6m looks very tempting when you now have the prospect of him staying at Newcastle and not playing at all until January

Posted by: Pablo  | August 7, 2007 9:46 AM

supporter sth tyneside wrote...

Luke your use of the phrase "self proclaimed" in relation to Sams management skills is a bit unfair. i do however agree with the thrust of your blog. unless there are facts which none of us know about,then nufc have acted foolishly. there are some who dont want Dyer at newcastle and whilst they are entitled to their opinion, my opinion is that he is our most gifted footballer since Peter Beardsley. injuries and his perceived lifestyle have not done him any favours and it is maybe understandable why some are against him. i would have loved him to have stayed at newcastle, it would be best now though for all concerned for nufc to sell him and move on.

Posted by: supporter sth tyneside  | August 7, 2007 10:21 AM

Richard wrote...

A baffling decision. I have nothing more to add your honour

Posted by: Richard  | August 7, 2007 10:39 AM

Stephen Sheehan wrote...

I can't understand why the fans hate Dyer so much. He Scored alot of goals last season more then I can remember him ever scoring and they still want to get rid of him. He's argubably the quickest midfielder in the PShip with the ball at his feet and at the very least a great option to bring off the bench. I'd start him in Midfield in the Middle with Geremi @ Bolton on Saturday. If you remember he scored in the 1st 10 Mins last time @ Reebok and I'le be happy for him to do it again. If he has to go West Ham should pay £8 M or at least what they paid for Bellamy. Dyer is quicker then Parker so over £7 m. I'd hate to see him go as with Barton Out or possibly going to Prison we will need him.

Posted by: Stephen Sheehan  | August 7, 2007 11:26 AM

Will Burgess wrote...

Is there more to this than meets the eye? Ashley knows from his years in business that he will not get very far falling out with the people he has to deal with most ie other chairman and NUFC obtaining a reputation for double dealing will damage the club. There is no logic in the 'flexing his muscles' argument we just end up looking a bit sad and petty as well as paying out £80k a week for Dyer and accepting £4m in January. If FS had blown this deal there would have been riots on the streets.
Perhaps there is another scenario- did SA mention confidentially to Curbishley that Martins could be available and the club are not happy that when that reached the press (and was denied ) thay realised Curbs was the only posiible source of the info, and so scuppering the Dyer deal was revenge. After all SA said 'Curbs started it'. Started what?

Note From Luke
I believe Glenn Roeder may well be the source for the Martins story.

Posted by: Will Burgess  | August 7, 2007 11:29 AM

Paul Patterson wrote...

How Do You Solve A Problem Like Keiron Dyer?

A new BBC One talent show perhaps?

Well actually spotting the talent would be a big challenge as Mr Dyer hasn’t any, surely we can’t expect him to pay the extra £2m? You know, Off ones own back like?

After all I’ve heard he’s worth a few bob, but this little waster has to go ASAP, I don’t know how he’s survived this long on such little actual ability.

But let me just state clearly- I DO NOT condone the violent actions of certain supporters.

Drum Roll Please- It’s Keiron “Blinger� Dyer V Alan “Cruncher� Smith.

Ding, Ding

Smith is competitive and doesn’t miss many games- SMITH LANDS FIRST PUNCH!!

Smith has heading ability and inspires others- SMITH CONTINUES THE BATTERING!!

Keiron Dyer has pace which can frighten defenders- OFF THE ROPES COMES DYER!!

Sadly Smith is no slouch and has recent Champions League experience- DYER LEFT REELING!!

Ding, Ding.

RESULT- IT’S A KNOCKOUT- SMITH WINS!!

Paul.

Note From Luke
I like your boxing match idea so don't be surprised if I still it for a blog at some stage this season!

Posted by: Paul Patterson  | August 7, 2007 12:03 PM

Rachel McK wrote...

I'm not normally much of a spiteful person (at least that's what I tell myself) but I just think it's funny and irony at it's best. I hope he has to stay here for the next two years, sitting in reserves. If the rumours are true about the West Ham board bragging about getting him so cheap only to be bragging in front of one of Mr. Ashley's mates, then it's even funnier. If I was Ashley, I'd tell West Ham the price is £8m then flog him to Spurs for £4m.

Smith is twice the player Dyer will ever be. His link up play between Midfield and the Striker's is superb and something we haven't had in a very long time. He'll be a massive success here.

Posted by: Rachel McK  | August 7, 2007 12:14 PM

Dave C wrote...

If he is staying, and it looks like he might be, then if Sam picks him lets not have the boo boys reprise their disgraceful performances of the past.

In his position, I would be determined to prove my worth if given the chance to play and encourage other clubs to make bids and achieve the goal of a transfer.

However, we can do without our supporters booing our players whether they like them or not. It is simply ignorant and counter productive and will also I feel have a negative effect on the other NUFC player who witness it.

Posted by: Dave C  | August 7, 2007 12:22 PM

Little Lord Fauntleroy wrote...

Around this time last year we nearly let one of our most talented players leave after he was harshly treated by the club. Luckily, James Milner stayed and had a great season.

However, Dyer hasn't done anything of great note for Newcastle in such a long time and I for one, hope he doesn't get the chance to emulate James Milner. I don't like him, but I DO NOT agree with people booing our own players. Wait til he leaves and shout all you like when he returns with his new side.

There is no room for emotion in this business. So he might be a nice lad, but Luke thought Souness was a nice bloke and look what he nearly did to us.

I think Mike Ashley's done the right thing and held up a transfer that will inevitably go through before the end of August, whether it's to West Ham, Tottenham or Southend. We'll make a profit and cut the wage bill, Dyer will get his wish to leave and the fans will be happy.
I'll personally help him pack his bags and drive him down South to make sure he leaves. Judging by the players that Allardyce has brought in, there will be no place for half-hearted, lazy, spineless Prima Donna's. Alas, Dyer doesn't fit into the Great Allardyce Masterplan... Any news on Babayaro leaving yet?

Note From Luke
I actually said Souness talked a good game. As for Babayaro leaving, the only way that will happen is if United pay up his contract. Who on earth is going to sign him? And no I won't fix and comps for you to win.

Posted by: Little Lord Fauntleroy  | August 7, 2007 3:07 PM

Toonrooster wrote...

Dyer has never fulfilled his potential, and although he has enourmous skill and pace, to my mind he hasn't got a footballing brain. Loooking back he hasn't developed his game, and I realy wonder if he ever will. I thought SBR would really make Dyer and turn him into a first choice England player in the process, but in nearly 5 years it didn't happen. I'm blaming Dyer not Sir Bobby, because I don't think he is clever enough to learn from the likes of Sir Bobby or to learn to read the game. Most players (even amateurs) at least learn that aspect even if they aren't blessed with the skills and pace that Dyer has. To me he is no better player than 8 years ago when he came to the Toon.

So all in all £80k per week is way over the top for him and if WHU were gullible enough to match his Toon pay we should have let him go. £2m in tranfer fees is only half the £4.2m in a year in pay, so what have we gained by keeping him?

Posted by: Toonrooster  | August 7, 2007 7:07 PM

Paul Arkle wrote...

After another 90 mph run Dyer plays the telling pass!- DON'T THINK SO.
Dyer's pinpoint cross lands spot on Martin's head and its another Toon goal!- DON'T THINK SO.
Dyer turns on the edge of the box and thunders in another!-DON'T THINK SO.
Dyer tracks back 40 yds and crucially whips the ball off Ronaldo to prevent what looked like a certain winner for Darlington!-DON'T THINK SO.
DYER DOES SOMETHING!-DON'T THINK SO.
Look at the stats; Lampard scored almost as many goal last season as Dyer has scored in his whole career at the Toon, Given and Milner between them played almost as many games last season as Dyer has in his whole career at the Toon.
No point, No passion, No purpose so I would give the spoilt brat away if we have to, but agree with others comments that SamAshley want to end Toon's reputation for idiot buying and worse selling.
Sam appears to be building a side of players who can make me PROUD of the TOON rather than just loving it as I always have and always will.
Your's is a very fair and skilfully written blog even if you are ugly.

Note From Luke
Ugly? Ha your insults cannot harm me, my wings are like a shield of steal!

Posted by: Paul Arkle  | August 8, 2007 11:14 AM

Ronnie ( Busker ) Lambert wrote...

If Dyer isn't sold before the season starts, and somehow he's called upon to play at some stage, he will have to play out of his skin to keep a January sale alive, or most probably sign on the sick where I've heard that players' insurance can top their wages up to two thirds extra . Can you enlighten us on this rumour that I heard from an ex-physio ? Also a buzz is going around that Owen had a secret medical at Man.U. and failed, hence his painfully belated statement that he was 'happy' to stay at United. Dare you add anything to this Luke, if it's true I mean ?

Note From Luke
Owen did not fail a secret medical at Manchester United although I suspect he would have hopped there if they had shown any interest this summer.

Posted by: Ronnie ( Busker ) Lambert  | August 8, 2007 12:01 PM

Craig wrote...

I think everyone needs to draw a line under the Dyer episode. It's not helpful to the rest of the team if one player is booed and so on and it's up to him play to the best of his ability while he remains a Newcastle player.

Posted by: Craig  | August 8, 2007 12:29 PM

Chris Rickleton wrote...

I agree Smithy isn't a replacement for Kieron and I think now we have kept KD at the club, we should start him and tell him to give us three and a half great months and to put himself in the transfer window that way. If he is spurred on to reach his full potential, which I think we saw in the Hartlepool and Juventus games, then he could propel us towards a decent league position and then move to a team in the Champion's League in January. With Barton and Emre missing the start his creativity might be vital.
I also think you're a tad unfair not to include Ameobi in your potential list of 4-3-3s. He offers something neither Viduka or Smith have and Viduka looked poor in the Sampdoria game.

Note From Luke
Bit soon to judge Viduka, but I do hope Ameobi gets a fair crack of the whip. Personally, I think he will offer more a goal threat than Smith who, for all of his commitment and effort, has a terrible goalscoring record

Posted by: Chris Rickleton  | August 8, 2007 1:19 PM

brainwashed wrote...

Mr Ashley clearly thinks Dyer is a better player than any of those we have signed as he wants more for him than we paid for any one of them!

I doubt Dyer will have a future here as the crowd have turned too far but where will the midfield/forward pace come from especially if Martins struggles for his place?

Posted by: brainwashed  | August 8, 2007 9:46 PM

Snapper wrote...

Your note about people tend to stay in Ipswich made me smile pity Titus had not. Not so fussed about the posting that "jokingly" advocated saving eggs and instead throw bricks or rubble. There is always some idiot who will take up the offer.

Note From Luke
Indeed there sadly is

Posted by: Snapper  | August 9, 2007 9:10 AM

Lee Coulter wrote...

Anyone going to Dyer's Testimonial? Cause nobody will come in for him!

Posted by: Lee Coulter  | August 9, 2007 3:32 PM

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