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Derby Debacle

Posted by Luke on September 18, 2007 12:21 PM | 

The world is constantly evolving around us and the speed of change can sometimes appear quite frightening, but some things look as though they will always stay the same - like Newcastle United’s failure to win trophies and their infuriating inability to beat poor teams away from home.

There are some things in life so familiar they are like a small child’s comfort blanket, reassuring and secure. And then there are things that are so persistently irritating they become as annoying as a group of mosquito bites on your back. Newcastle United are sometimes the former, but more often than not become the latter.

Monday night’s defeat by Derby County epitomised everything that has been wrong about Newcastle’s away performances for years. So much for the new manager, new players, new chairman, new Newcastle theory!

Derby were a poor team, devoid of confidence after a 6-0 thrashing at Liverpool and who are prepared for a constant battle against relegation this season. Yet still they secure three points thanks to Jim’ll Fix it United.

Newcastle were supposedly a revived side, unbeaten in five games and already looking capable of pushing for a European place. The manager Sam Allardyce had impressed with his actions in the transfer market and appeared to have instilled a new professionalism at the club which would mean nights like these would no longer haunt the Magpies.

But here it was again, a lacklustre, uninspired, disjointed, embarrassing collective away display which got exactly what it deserved. All right, so the Magpies should have had a penalty when David Rozehnal was hauled down rugby style in the area, but nobody really argued they deserved a point.

They certainly didn’t in the pub where I watched the game and there were also some far from complimentary things said about the manager’s substitutions when they were chasing the game.

United created just one clear chance from open play, in the first half, which Rozehnal - a central defender in case we’ve forgotten - fired wide. That isn’t good enough, plain and simple, particularly against teams as weak as Derby.

Michael Owen may well have been tired after international duty, but what on earth can he do when he doesn’t get a decent pass all night? Obafemi Martins fared little better when he came on, while Shola Ameobi just had one. He was caught offside depressingly frequently, was incapable of winning the ball in the air and was unable to control it on the ground. Good night’s work lad, you certainly pushed your case for a first team place there didn’t you!

The defence looked shaky against the high ball, a weakness that led to Kenny Miller’s goal, while players like Charles N’Zogbia, Geremi and Nicky Butt, who had generally done well this season, had shockers. As for Steven Taylor, you might well be a Geordie, you might well love the club and you might well have plenty of promise, but play like this and you’ll be lucky to get £3,000-a-week let alone the £30-40,000 you’re after!

As for the midfield, where is the creativity? I’ve mentioned it before in earlier entries, but you can’t expect to break teams down with a midfield containing honest and solid, but ultimately unimaginative defensive players like Alan Smith, Geremi and Butt.

As for Smith, he isn’t a winger so please don’t play him out there. No wonder he is frustrated, dedicated professional or not. I see Sam has already felt the need to tell him to calm down on the pitch as he is on the verge of a suspension. The captain’s armband (when Geremi was replaced) no assists, no goals and four yellow cards so far in his Newcastle career.

Only James Milner looked like he might make something happen. Derby had obviously realised that watching Newcastle’s previous games so they simply instructed the players to double up on him to nullify the threat. A simple ploy, but oh so effective.

One of the biggest problems with trying to manage Newcastle United is the knee jerk reactions to results. Win and the team are the best thing since cavemen discovered the effects of fermentation, lose and the team are the worse thing since cavemen discovered hangovers!

This was a poor performance and there are certainly some reasons for concern, but it’s still far too early to start worrying too much. Newcastle, under Allardyce, were always going to be a work in progress this season and there will be plenty more setbacks along the way I’m sure.

Hopefully this will act as a catalyst, West Ham will be on the receiving end of the backlash and an otherwise solid start to the season can mean this result and abject display is quickly buried.

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Comments (28)

Tim B wrote...

It was one of those games where I scared my missus witless with the volume of my abuse at the TV! I just don't understand how Premier League players can play like that. The Newcastle players' appalling passing, crossing, marking and movement would've landed most Sunday league sides in trouble with their manager! And I honestly don't think I'm exaggerating. How on earth Sam Allardyce can think that it's a good idea to take off Owen and bring on defenders when Newcaslte were chasing a game is totally beyond me. Also, the decision to give Smithy the captain's armband when he was looking increasingly like getting a second yellow was bizarre in the extreme.

If I didn't know better, I'd say that the entire team and the manager must've been out on the lash big style on Sunday night...

Posted by: Tim B  | September 18, 2007 12:55 PM

Tim B wrote...

Actually, in amendment to my earlier post, I've just read that Owen picked up a bit of a groin strain, so maybe I can't hold Sam responsible for that! Still, a horrible evening's viewing...

Posted by: Tim B  | September 18, 2007 12:59 PM

Little Lord Fauntleroy wrote...

I wish I shared your confidence Luke, but watching last night's "performance" concerns me deeply.
The style of football was awful and exactly what I was worried about when Allardyce was given the job. He's famed for his Route 1 Rubbish and it looks like he'll try and impose it on NUFC now.
We've got some great players so why can't we try and play some attractive football? We don't mind losing as much if we play nice stuff, but to lose playing this way sticks in the throat.

Too many players were played out of position and we lacked any creativity. Smacks of Glenn Roeder's tenure. There is no excuse for losing to Derby. 4 away points this season, I wonder if we'll get many more....

Posted by: Little Lord Fauntleroy  | September 18, 2007 1:32 PM

Paul Patterson wrote...

Change.

We always crave for change at Newcastle, usually rightly so and usually in the managers office first!

This time I hope the manager we have spots the problems and sorts them, before fate steps in and the powers that be remove the decision for him, like so many others have done before him.

A lot to digest at Derby (Rennies on stand by) a rather worrying sight last night, with Smith, Milner, N’Zogbia and Taylor all playing out of position, something I thought we might have seen the last of with the new regime.

Much like the Rich Arab Oil Baron, who owns the patent for the water powered car, but refuses to tell the rest of us, could someone please start asking managers why they persist in playing squared off pegs in rounded holes?

I’ve long been an admirer of the three centre back formation, which some scoff at and say that’s a recipe for defeat, but if you look, we played it last night with Taylor, Cacapa and Rozehnal, but sadly the energetic N’Zogbia was stuck on the end to make it a back four, so he was having to run further to get the chance to supply the front two.

It’s kind of like asking a 100m sprinter to win a race starting 50m behind the line.

A while back we were all debating the why’s and wherefores of a certain Keiron Dyer, well we have a new player to do exactly that, this time in the form of Alan Smith:- Where does he play? What does he do? What does he have for Breakfast? Etc.

The answer simply is nothing more than get a yellow card every match!

Ameobi was simply awful and offered nothing different up front (much like a lot of his previous performances) which I had hoped he’d now had coached out of him, sadly not, And I wanted him to start to get his chance.

Another worry, will Harper be dropped, just because he conceded, was this the simple excuse Sam was looking for? I hope not.

Also, injuries, we’ve shipped Owen, Viduka and even Enrique failed a fitness test. Someone must someday, find the solution to this infuriating curse.

Change I said, that’s all I ask!

Paul.

Note From Luke
It was a dreadful day all round, not helped by the fact I watched it in a pub and wasn't drinking after too much in Krakow. I'm getting old I reckon!
The out-of-position thing is a concern and having let Solano go, as well as Dyer, there aren't many options on the right now. Hopefully when Duff and Enrique are fit things will improve and I'dstill like to see Emre given a crak of the whip. Apparently he's injured again, but is that because he wants to leave?

Posted by: Paul Patterson  | September 18, 2007 1:37 PM

Billy Stone wrote...

Unlike your correspondant, I watched the match live at Pride Park. There was only one "weak team" on display last night, and it wasn't Derby !

Posted by: Billy Stone  | September 18, 2007 1:49 PM

Craig Colquhoun wrote...

Love or hate them this was typical NUFC display of old what gets me is that there was no heart in the team they huffed and puffed and couldnt blow the door down of probably
the team that are dead certs to go down !!! What will happen when we play like that at Man U or Chelsea ?? 1,0 eh
its easy to blame the international break and say the players are tired these guys are top athletes and are supposed to be fit ??
Sam the earliest sign is right in front of you Ameobi is not good enough sorry any more evidence than last night needed?? Smithy I rate highly but not at Right half surely playing him last night up front from the start was a better option ? he is rated forward for England right ?
Playing so many players out of position cant be good for the overall perfomance
Smithy aint right flank ? Zog although has done good at left back aint a left back ? Taylor aint a right back and looks far better than who played last night re the goal who was supposed to be attacking the ball ?? and dont leave out Given any longer because Harps has done ok he is understudy to Given right ?
get milner right side and Zog deep left and for heavens sake get the ball into the box simple !! How is this so difficult
Very worrying

Posted by: Craig Colquhoun  | September 18, 2007 2:11 PM

Ronnie Lambert wrote...

You said it all Luke, but I'd like to re-iterate a few things I've already mentioned this term and last. Butt stinks, he plays too many short, casual balls to his team-mates, falls asleep and generally acts as though he has a divine right to be in the team because he was a Manc. Shola Amadonkey will never be Premiership quality as long as he has a hole in his head. And Taylor is not the finished article, at least not enough to expect his starting place ahead of the new crop of defenders, or the wages of better players. He may carp on about other young players on better money, but Milner has a head start on him in top flight experience and ability and Nzogbia is crucial to this team's future. I do believe Sam was psyched into playing him last night. Why oh why isn't Milner on the right wing, and Charley on the left, their natural positions ? That is obvious to us all. We can't continue playing without width when strikers Viduka, Owen and Martins are screaming for service. Sam's tactics are beginning to look like his long-ball critics feared. I hope for his sake that last night was as he said, a blip due to the international commitments on six of his players. But even saying that makes me wince. When we were kids up to the age of fifteen, we'd play futta from morning til night every day during school holidays, and many of us smoked tabs. A good night's sleep was enough to charge the batteries, never mind five days.

Posted by: Ronnie Lambert  | September 18, 2007 2:48 PM

Ricky wrote...

I have tried and tried and tried to see the good side of Ameobi’s game, but alas I cannot come to the same conclusions as all of the managers he has worked under at St. James Park. Pray Luke tell me if you can, what is it that these people see in the lad. For me, I think perhaps he is a Championship player, but then maybe that's why I am a Design Engineer and not a football manager.
But looking at the overall picture, let's not get too despondent over the Derby defeat, as we do look a much tighter unit than we have for some years now. I agree with what you say about the lack of midfield creativity, no good having a Smith & Weston and trying to load it with a lead pellet, but I really think Barton could be the man with the bullets, coupled with Emre (if we can keep hold of him), and the option of using N’Zogbia, there are signs that things can improve in this department. Lets give it a chance eah.

Posted by: Ricky  | September 18, 2007 3:25 PM

Gordie Robson wrote...

How on earth can managers blame tiredness, i hate that excuse it has no fundemental meaning--maybe too tired from carry there fat heavy pay checks on tha backs!!!
Big Sams trying to cover up the Embarrasement from getting beat off the worst side in the Prem!!!

Note From Luke
I totally agree. The tiredness line is just a tired excuse from managers searching for something to blame. they had four whole days to prepare for the game, more than a normal midweek game.

Posted by: Gordie Robson  | September 18, 2007 4:19 PM

Ste wrote...

And while you lot are all in a good mood after last night, would anyone like to discuss why Mr Alladyce has had a go at Senior Benitez?

I'd have thought he'd have had other things on his mind today. And as a Liverpool fan. one fifth place and two thirds in the league, on FA cup, two Champions League Finals and bringing ole big ears home again once is perfectly acceptable to me.

Posted by: Ste  | September 18, 2007 5:26 PM

Mark in Washington DC wrote...

Guys, lots of valid points but we seem to missing the one thing that is appearing...long ball up the middle AGAIN AGAIN AGAIN. BSA has alot of defenders at his disposal yet he still insists on playing both milner and Zobs out of position. Put Milner back out on the right push Zobs into left middle field, drop Geremi and trust me we will get width and crosses will come and space for our quick players to break into will appear. I know its only early in the season but BSA got the players he was after but we have yet to see him do something with them. And as for leaving Martins on the bench, at the moment he is ahead of Owen in most respects and certainly ahead of Obe. Come on Sam you have been given the bullets its now time to start firing all guns and stop with this pathetic..ow they were tired. Your the one who just a month or two ago said you were going to get them fit fit fit..are you saying you are failing at that as well. Sad thing is we have been given a nice easy start to the season not hitting the big team, yet we still havn't impressed. Come On Lads your wearing black and white...show you pride and passion.

Note From Luke
Hi Mark, how are things in the States? Did you manage to watch the game over there? Bet you wish you hadn't bothered. I disagree with you about Owen, he has been playing well and scoring goals so hopefully this latest injury scare won't prove to be serious. It's the lack of creativity that really concerns me. Even if you look at the Boro draw, they were two goals out of nothing rather than goals created by good approach play.
Far too early to get the war drums out but things need to improve because the performance at Derby was as bad as anything I've seen under Souness or Roeder.

Posted by: Mark in Washington DC  | September 18, 2007 10:49 PM

Andrew wrote...

What a usless midfield against Derby. Maybe Joey Barton can create something as well as just pushing forward . . . time will tell. One thing for sure, Mr.Smith and Mr.Butt are not the answer. They've always lacked the skills needed for a "thinkers position."
Forget 'route one' football, it doesn't work and it's crap to watch.
I think the back line will be ok, but I'd feel more confident with Given in goal.

Posted by: Andrew  | September 18, 2007 11:00 PM

Qihan wrote...

Championship quality football. I'm looking forward to the next game to see if SA will admit his tactical mistakes and change the formation.

Note From Luke
You're right, it will be very interesting to see how the team and Allardyce respond to what happened on Monday night. You're always going to lose the odd game and play badly, it's how they bounce back now that's important. I'm sure they've been stung by the critcism.

Posted by: Qihan  | September 19, 2007 3:57 AM

Action Steve wrote...

I don't want to start getting on the manager's back just yet, as I hope he gets the time to try to change things at Newcastle, but I lost a lot of respect for Big Sam after the dribble he spouted post match in order to try to excuse what was an utterly shocking performance from the players and the manager. If Sam had said "sorry, that wasn't good enough" I would have been happy. But to blame the international break and 'poor finishing' on the two half chances we did create was pathetic. And don't get me started on the terrible tactics and incredibly negative substitutions.

PS: Does anyone else think that Smith has been guaranteed a starting place as part of his contract?

Note From Luke
To give an answer to your first question I blooming well hope not!

Posted by: Action Steve  | September 19, 2007 9:09 AM

Rob -- Baku Azerbaijan wrote...

Quite right Luke in your comments, it was a woeful display from the team, someone should tell them all that it isn't just a case of turning up and pulling on the jersey, you have to put in a performance too.
Blaming it all on Ameobi is wrong but he also should not be in contention for a place as the lad is just not cutting it and never has, hell i thought it was just white men can't jump, but he knocks that theory into space, and when he does jump he hunches his shoulders and closes his eyes.
Big Sams tactic and player positions on the night were wrong, we should have attacted them from the off, with Milner right and Zog on the left and through the middle giving Owen more chances, but we played far too many square balls accross the park, and this against a team like Derby, sorry but i am getting a little fed up with negative football, Come on Sam if you are reading any of this, get sorted and get it right.

Posted by: Rob -- Baku Azerbaijan  | September 19, 2007 9:21 AM

The Fox wrote...

No creativity in midfield whatsoever. Allardyce has quite rightly concentracted on getting in defenders but until Barton and possibly Duff arrive we are short in midfield. Emre is injured and too slow anyway. N'Zogbia should be on the left of midfield not left back. Taylor is a central defender not a full back. Start playing Enrique if fit and Martins should start. Ameobi is a joke and should be in the Chamionship not Premiership.
Another see saw season beckons and how long will the new owner give Allardyce is the question.

Note From Luke
Interesting last point. Did anyone see Roman Abramovich squirming at Chelsea last night (as well as the thousands of empty seats). Allardyce was not Mike Ashley's appointment, although he certainly hasn't been squirming in his seat yet (just making me do so when he turns up at Blu Bambu) but seriously, he needs more time than this to get things right.

Posted by: The Fox  | September 19, 2007 9:36 AM

Dale wrote...

I am not too sure Alan Smith deserves the stick he is getting at the moment. OK, so he hasn't set the world alight, but that is down to the instructions given out by BS?! For the West Ham match Smith must be given a chance to play up front with either Owen or Oba if Viduka is still injured. Ameobi must never get anywhere near the 1st team again, the bloke is a wimp, no heart no bottle. Your 6 ft plus for god sake, put yourself about! Not too seure 3 at the back would work IMO. Stick with 4 at the back. Enrique (Sp) needs to get fit ASAP, push N'Zog up to LM, Milner back to his more comfartable postion of RM, Geremi and Butt in the middle. Smith and Oba/Owen up front. Got to give it go. Width and pace, but still lacking creativity through the middle.

Also I am bit concerned BS has made bit of an error in employing Geremi as captain because once everyone is fit I don't see how he will make the starting 11. Barton and Emre would be my prefered choice. Any thoughts?

Posted by: Dale  | September 19, 2007 10:25 AM

Graham Bradley wrote...

I have to agree with you Luke, it was painful and rather depressing watching that load of rubbish, but lets not get to carried away!

I do wonder why Sam didn't play Beye from the start at right-back, then Roz and Cacapa in the centre, Smith could have played up front with Owen as Ameobi yet again proved he aint up to the job, Milner on the right N'Zogbia on the left and Geremi and Faye in the middle of the park? The problem yet again is injuries, with all fit I guess Enrique, Barton, Viduka, Duff and Emre would maybe all be in the starting line up so lets not get excited, stick with the team and the boss and lets give the boys the support they need. We can't have big Sam sacked as the club needs some stability, let him have a good go before calling for his head!

Posted by: Graham Bradley  | September 19, 2007 11:26 AM

True Mag wrote...

To answer Ste the Liverpool fan, the reason we hate you is because you are always whining when things don't go your way, but think you're the funniest people in the world when they are! What did Big Sam say about Benitez anyway? I can't rememeber any abuse.

Anyway, as for Newcastle against Derby, let's not get too carried away after one defeat. The performance was awful but I think we need to calm down and see what happens against West Ham and Arsenal in the Carling Cup next week before we hang the manager again.

Posted by: True Mag  | September 19, 2007 12:18 PM

Nick wrote...

I went to the Wigan and Man City away games last season and thought they were the worst I have seen until I went to last nights game.

We lacked everything required to win a premiership football match, NO Pace, NO Penetration and NO width. It was the same in the Aston Villa and Middlesbro games. I was so disappointed and I think the way Alladyce sent the team out last night to play was a disgusting lack of respect for the fans.

I saw Alladyces smug interview after the game and I was so angry. When asked if we could finish 6th he laughed it off, saying he never said anything about finishing 6th, he said we were 8th bottom last season. So what, we brought the manager in to get us in the top 6 minimum. We are not Bolton, we played champions league football a few years ago.

It also just seems to me he has just signed the players he would have loved in his old Bolton side, big, nasty, hardmen. Fair enough we needed a few of them, but we need them along side some creative, quick players.

If he freezes out Stevey Taylor I will give up my season ticket.

I know you probably think it is far too early in his reign but we need to get Alladyce out of the club, we are going nowhere under his reign.

Note From Luke
I sense you are quite angry Nick! Let's just give him a few more weeks befoer we send out the lynch mobs. I have my concerns about the style of play and certainly the lack of chances from open play, but it's still been a pretty solid start.

Posted by: Nick  | September 19, 2007 2:24 PM

James wrote...

As a Bolton fan, you'd better get used to it!!

Posted by: James  | September 19, 2007 2:35 PM

John Breakwell wrote...

In my opinion the manager should take sole blame for the defeat at Derby. The Derby players were still smarting from the verbals they must have received after the Liverpool game, they didn't want another after the Newcastle match. Big Sam must have told our lads that Derby would gift them goals because they sure didn't work for any. I was there at Pride Park and before the game the Rams fans were expecting another heavy defeat. Billy Davies is the manager Newcastle should have gone for at the end of last season.

Note From Luke
I don't know about that John!

Posted by: John Breakwell  | September 19, 2007 3:26 PM

Coz wrote...

What is SA on about, 'i didn't say anything about the top 6'. Yes we did finish 8th bottom last season but, the season before that we finished 7th. OK, perhaps we might not finish in the top 6, but to laugh it off and dismiss it, is pesemistic beyond belief. This club has got to be aiming for those sort of places, we can't keep settling for mid table when only 3/4 years ago we were challenging the 'big 4'. And also SA quote 'We didn't come to derby to win we would have settled for a draw'. That sounds like a team fighting relegation, not challenging for europe, we should be going to teams like Derby and expecting to win. Come on Big Sam, I do think you are a good manager but for god sake, get a bit more optimistic, and also stop playing players out of position!

Posted by: Coz  | September 19, 2007 4:38 PM

sam wrote...

one bad performance and most of you want to wield the sack axe. we might not have creativity at the mo but for the past few seasons we were all crying for a better defence and now we have it. you are never happy with what the manager does says or who he plays. remember this still isnt our best side. when all fit the team should be; GK Given,RB Beye, CBs Tayls, Rozy,LB Enrique,RM Milner, CMs Barton, Emre,LM Charlie,CF Owen, Oba. the only thing that has relly upset me is the decision to let nobby go.

Note From Luke
As I've said, far too early to judge yet, no matter how bad things were against Derby.

Posted by: sam  | September 19, 2007 4:44 PM

Nick wrote...

I know it sounds ridiculous sacking a manager after 5games but it’s not just the Derby game. It has been every game we have played, look at the Bolton game we got a lucky free kick, scored and then the floodgates opened. Middlesbro it took an amazing Charlie goal to open up the game. We can’t keep relying on wonder and lucky goals.

I am not the sort of person that just says sack a manager like that but I knew Allardyce wasn’t the right man for it from the beginning. He did a great job at Bolton I am not denying that but this is a very different kind of job. Newcastle go to win games not just try not to lose them.

It desperately worries me about the lack of width in the side infact NO width. Milner seems to have to play on both wings.

I desperately hope we can win on Sunday and move on but this situation is just not right. I just feel that this is a wasted season already.

Luke I sense you think the same. Fair enough if we are wrong but we are not wrong are we?

Note From Luke
I certainly think some changes in style need to be made. I think he has the right ideas in terms of professionalism behind the scenes but the midfield definitely lacks creativity at the moment. However, the defence was his priority in the summer and he could be lining up some players with a bit more spark in January.
It's too early to really condemn him and his style of play, but it will be interesting to see the reaction and how the team are playing in six months time

Posted by: Nick  | September 19, 2007 5:09 PM

Simon Grundy wrote...

Coz, I agree with you that on paper that is an exciting team but the concerns are that given the decisions Sam has taken to date it isn't the team he will pick. Given the players currently available he could have played Zog and Milner in their natural positions, surely Derby away would be the natural time to do so. He could have also chosen Owen and Oba together and Monday night against a defence left bereft of confidence would have been a great opportunity. The lack of creativity in midfield was the big issue, as it was against Barnsley and the Boro. The selections have been negative, Smith has not one of the attributes of a winger, and bar aggression none of the attributes of a top class midfielder either. He should be dropped or played up front. Lets see a positive selection on Sunday with balance and players in their natural positions.

Posted by: Simon Grundy  | September 19, 2007 5:10 PM

Mark in Washington DC wrote...

Luke: All I will say is Washington ain't the toon..enough said. Guys, I think this is one of the best discusion pages I have read for a while..everyone singing from the same song sheet..except the manager (doe's this not echo seasons of old..to painfully I would say yes). We also make the same comments about the lack of creativity which lets be honest comes from players being out of position. You put your best players in their position and then fill in around them not weaken the team as he has. We do need Emre and Barton back as I think they will bring a good balance to the team, and we all agree on the Zob's and Milner positions. I have said it before and I will say it again..BSA got the bunch of defenders he asked for so why is the middle field still having its best players messed around. And as for Geremi postion, think he may be the one with the playing clause in his contract (could be interesting in the coming weeks). I also agree, as unhappy as I am with BSA tactics at the moment that we should give him time. That said here's a thought, he is probably the first NUFC manager in a while to get so many TESTED, QUALITY players in at first shout. The defence looks good, so the question is, will it be football or long ball.. SBA has put a good squad together now lets see if he can use it (in more than one dimension..Dorothy don't think your in Bolton anymore)

Posted by: Mark in Washington DC  | September 19, 2007 5:58 PM

RAY WILSON wrote...

Hope Big Sam reads all the above posts,might make him understand we Geordies know a little about the game. Roeder never listened to us ,neither did sourpuss,looks like Sam wants to go the same way. Please dont try to prove a point with us Sam,we all know Zoggy and Milners best positions,also we know Shay Given is the best, Harper is in our hearts and always will be,but cmon Sam you cant be that daft can you? Before we get really irritated Sam listen to whats been said here,it all makes sense. I cant beleive we have another manager who thinks Ameobi is premiership class,like every one says and I have been saying for the last four years,he cant head a ball,he cant control and pass a ball and he has missed more sitters than my baby sitter who has been with us for years. Wake up Sam the Derby match will not be a one off if you persist in playing players out of position. Roeder and Sourpuss thought they knew more than us ,well they have gone Sam and we are still here so credit us with some sense. Still dreaming of Milburn, Mitchell, White,Allchurch, Eastham,not forgetting king Al and Supermac. Sam we like to be entertained, the Derby match was anything but. Time to wake up Sam, if you can,not sure the lot who played at Derby can.

Posted by: RAY WILSON  | September 19, 2007 9:15 PM

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