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Tired Excuses So What's The Point

Posted by Luke on September 26, 2007 5:36 PM | 

That’s that then, it’s all over, we might as well all give up and start following another sport instead. Arsenal are going to win everything....for the next ten years!

There was something depressing - okay Sunderland fans might disagree - for football fans everywhere in Arsenal’s victory over Newcastle United in the Carling Cup, that horrible sinking feeling when you think to yourself, ‘what is the point?

This was Arsenal’s reserve team, it wasn’t the same set of players who have put the Gunners at the top of the Premier League, it was a bunch of kids - average age of the starting XI was under 21 - who already have the ability, tactical nous and spirit to beat a decent rival team who, nominally at least, are in the same division.

Ask yourself this question and then let me know how it makes you feel. How many of Newcastle starting XI would have got into Arsenal side on Tuesday night and how many of Newcastle’s players would have got into Arsenal’s? Shay Given? Jose Enrique? Obafemi Martins? Charles N’Zogbia?

Newcastle United are fifth in the Premier League, their squad is full of senior internationals, but a team packed full of players just out of puberty still out-played them and Arsenal supporters lapped it up - crowing, joking, mocking. It was humiliating, for the lack of a better word.

The gap between the rich and the poor, the best and the rest has never seemed bigger as I write this and Newcastle have about as much chance of winning the Carling Cup as Elvis Presley has of a starting his comeback tour at the Carling Academy (I know I used this in my match report from the game but I liked it so much I thought I would use it again!)

Of course, giving up is not an option. History tells us that the balance of power in football, as in all sports, shifts with time, but can you see anyone breaking up the Big Four’s monopoly of silverware in the next three years? Even if Chelsea have appointed some old duffer who looks like Uncle Fester with hair as manager, are they going to allow a Newcastle, a Tottenham, an Everton or an Aston Villa access to the riches and prestige of the Champions League? I doubt it.

However, at these times of manic depression, I feel I have to take a deep breath and find some cause for optimism. Newcastle do have the potential to muscle in on that group, Sam Allardyce has only just arrived, he is building something for the future and, who knows, Mike Ashley might do an Abramovich - that’s invest lots of money in star players and not sack the most successful manager in club’s history because he won’t play your pal up front - and the Magpies will construct a squad to rival any in Europe.

Unfortunately, Newcastle have had the potential for the last ten years without effectively realising it. The same is true of Spurs, Villa and Everton but if you can’t live in hope what’s the point in living? Seriously, lads and lasses, don’t take that too literally, I don;t want any suicides on my conscience thanks very much.

We know Newcastle are well behind the likes of Arsenal at this stage, but maybe Allardyce will be the man to close the gap, although I’d urge him to ditch the excuses when he loses.

When the Magpies lost at Derby we got an excuse about tiredness because of international games and a lack of preparation time even though the players had been given three days to prepare after their return from their national sides, the normal amount for a Wednesday game after a Saturday one.

And, after Arsenal, we got, oh yes, that’s right, another tiredness excuse because Newcastle had to play two games in 72 hours. To be fair, Allardyce’s argument carried a little more weight this time, it was harsh asking them to play on a Tuesday after a Sunday.

However, the reason Newcastle’s players tired so badly in the last ten minutes when Arsenal scored their two goals had as much to do with the fact they couldn’t hold on to the ball and had spent the previous 80 minutes chasing it and Arsenal’s players as it did with a tough fixture schedule!

As for Obafemi Martins’ finishing, I’ll leave that for another day...

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Comments (13)

Mark in Washington DC wrote...

Rubbish is what Sam should have said. We sacked Roeder for performances like this and also sacked Rud for blaming everone else. Just wondering which manager he is going to copy next..souness by falling out with all the players.

We have been given a taste of what it takes to be a top 6 side and have been found wanting.

Posted by: Mark in Washington DC  | September 26, 2007 8:33 PM

sebastian kruz wrote...

Pathetic...excuses from SA.This team have not got it.marginally better than GR´S team...
How can he play the formation he does without a play maker..If we finish anywhere near the top ten it will have been an achievement..SAM your team is rubbish and your excuses belong in the England camp..I think we can all see you for what you are after a very short time its just another joy ride at Newcastle..Cant believe the attitude and comments after Aston Villa,Derby,Middlesbrough and now Arsenal,Expect some drubbings from the Elite clubs in the coming weeks.

Note From Luke
Had to edit your last statement for legal reasons Sebastian. I think it's a bit too early to label the team rubbish, but the excuses certainly are!

Posted by: sebastian kruz  | September 27, 2007 5:23 AM

Paul Patterson wrote...

To comment on your two earlier points, Luke.

1) Arsenal’s young rapscallions have the nous and tactics to play the way they did because Arsene Wenger has had them doing that for five years or more, his blueprint for Arsenal is widespread and not just restricted to the first team, have we ever had a manager that’s done that?- er no!

Sir Bobby got youth in place but they never lived up to their potential and the reserves were just left to fester, maybe Jermaine Jenas and Shola Ameobi should have been brought through in Arsene Wenger style, slowly and after extensive reserve football, but they were thrown into the first team and hit a talent brick wall, Jenas and Ameobi will not progress to being any better than they are now, the only plus point is we got £8m for Jenas, while were lumbered with Ameobi for the time being.

2) How many of the Newcastle eleven would get into Arsenal’s?- Simple Answer- None as they won, we didn’t, we didn’t even make the game a contest, we were played off the park (Yes, Martins had chances) he’s 24 by the way and way behind the skill and first touch of Denilson and his Arsenal compatriots.

The only players who have stood the test of time through various, league, cup and European campaigns are Shay Given and . . . .(Struggling) . . . (Still Struggling) . . . . Geremi maybe?

It pains me to even look at Shay, it’s tragic that we as a club have partnered him with such asylum seekers of professional football in the past, but the manager has to take the blame for setting his stall out so negatively in the offset.

Oh by the way, (I’m NOT a fan) but how do you know Elvis is dead, I’ve heard countless stories (Mainly from crazy old american women on TV) that he’s alive and well (And fat, presumably) in a burger joint in Memphis, Tennessee, or maybe Venus after being abducted by aliens, if there not too busy, Im not bothered about the fat guy in a silly suit but could you swing by Earth and drop off the attacking football style, that you presumably nicked from the Newcastle Upon Tyne Area, circa 2004.

Tonight at the Carling Academy, Please welcome:- Elvis Presley.

Tragic though we would STILL be out of the Carling Cup.

Paul.


Note From Luke
I wonder whether Sam Allardyce will get five years to match Wenger's system and success? He didn't have a very good track record of bringing young players through at Bolton did he?
As for Elvis, he could be alive and living in Chester-le-Street for all I know, but I bet he won't make an appearance at the Carling Academy!

Posted by: Paul Patterson  | September 27, 2007 10:19 AM

Sports Betting Man wrote...

I see what you are saying but some credit must be given to Wenger and Arsenal here - he has continously found, and nurtured, young raw talent and eventually progressed them into the first team. Unlike pretty much the rest of the top Prem teams in the last few years.

Note From Luke
I give Wenger a huge amount of credit, to build a team that plays football in the style it does, not once, not twice, but three times is an incredible achievement. If I'd been strictly neutral - as i should be as jounrnalist - i would have been thrilled by that Arsenal side, but as I was looking at it from a Newcastle perspective, it just depressed me.

Posted by: Sports Betting Man  | September 27, 2007 12:06 PM

Peter Harper wrote...

Newcastle United have needed for several years a 1st Team Coach of international quality.I'm not talking about a manager-I mean a coach.What we have got is basically what we have had for several years and it plainly is not good enough.
Can you remember the days of Keegan and McDermott?We may have had problems with defence but boy could we pass the ball-to our own players.I have extreme doubts concerning Allardyce's tactical ability but to have any chance he needs a 1st class coach - a person who can teach from an international standpoint.If he doesn't realise that then we've definitely got no chance.Success never happens by mistake.It happens by design.

Note From Luke
I understand what you're saying, but Allardyce does already have Nigel Pearson and Steve Round as coaches and McDermott is still there, even if I'm not entirely sure what he does. Both Round and Pearson are highly respected coaches - apparently!

Posted by: Peter Harper  | September 27, 2007 1:11 PM

True Mag wrote...

I think we just have to accept that, for the time being, we are playing in a mini-league which doesn't include the Big Four. Football still produces some shocks, just look at Coventry beating Manchester United last night and we've still got the FA Cup to look forward to!

Posted by: True Mag  | September 27, 2007 3:26 PM

Peter Harper wrote...

As an addendum to your comment that Nigel Pearson and Steve Round were highly respected coaches this begs the question-by whom?
Nigel Pearson, as a defender, played for Shrewsbury,Sheffield Wednesday and Middlesbrough and by the way, wasn't he he coaching at Newcastle last season when we had to watch that total garbage? Steve Round played nine games as a defender for Derby County.They may be nice guys and they may be highly respected but could they coach from European and International experience.Not a chance!!.Am I alone in thinking like this.We are supposed to be rebuilding Newcastle United in order to win trophies again.Let us get the basics in place from the start with 1st class and I mean 1st class coaches.We desperately want to move forward not sideways.A huge club such as Newcastle-the lack of nous is unbelievable.It might be good enough for Bolton but it ain't good enough for us.

Note From Luke
Again, I agree with your sentiments but Nigel Pearson was coach of the England Under 21s and Steve Round is part of the England set up as well so the FA must rate them. Not that they know much of course, but people in the game obviously do feel they are top quality coaches. As for the lack of international experience, Jose Mourinho never made it as a footballer, although granted, he had a good coaching set up around him which is kinda your point isn't it?

Posted by: Peter Harper  | September 27, 2007 5:15 PM

Mark in Washington DC wrote...

Luke, I think it is time for all this 'Lets give the manager time Rubbish' to stop. If I am honest he was never my 1st, 2nd or even 3rd choice as manager, he will always be a one dimensional manger.

He came in claiming the team was not fit enough for the premiership and he would sort it out..I have never seen the whole team run out of steam as often he seems to think..fitness expert, look in the mirror BIG Sam.

A good manager would roll with the punches at the start of a new team and take the hits as part of the development process but no...its always everyone elses fault never his (like he hasn't got it wrong a number of times this season already). Have to give credit though for being original..its the police's fault this time. Shame he is not as creative with his team.

When the banter was going around that Shearer would be the next manager I had my worries as he has no managerial experience, however now!!! I don't know why I was worried as if experience means Big Sam well enough said.

Sad thing is we do have real talent in the side, enough to match the top 4, however if the coach can't get it out of them (and thats all Roeder fell down on in the end but he never gave/looked for excuses) then perhaps he should not have the cheek to ask for 5 years, experienced players don't need 5 years to gel.

I hate to say this but I can see some of the REAL BIG CLUBS coming in for our young players in January and getting them.

We thought Sheps had gone, me now thinks he has left a ticking time bomb behind in BS and someone needs to defuse it now before the season goes up in smoke.

Note From Luke
I totally agree with you about the excuses, Sam isn't doing anyone any favours with them, let alone himself, but do you really believe Newcastle have a squad which is currently capable of matching the Big Four? I don't. They have a decent squad which should challenge for a European place this season, the success of which upon Allardyce should be judged. Win at Man City and the Carling Cup will quickly be forgotten and Newcastle will be in the top four for the first time since Bobby was manager! Lose and we'll all question Sam's ability again but you can't sack a manager who has lost one league game.

Posted by: Mark in Washington DC  | September 27, 2007 6:06 PM

John wrote...

I think all of you are being harsh about the carling cup game. Arsenal sent out a team which was completely refreshed and we had near enough the same team which played on sunday. Tiredness was A factor why we could not compete consistently throughout. I think instead of taking cheap shots at big sam you should be venting your frustration on past managers like souness and roeder who never attempted to assemble a squad. Atleast big sam is doing that. I think this has been one of our most productive summers we have had in years.

We have again been bitterly unlucky with injuries to our key midfielders such as emre and barton. When we have these two back then start judging big sam. All of the other teams realistically competing for europe have not had injuries to ALL their creative central midfielders players. When we are able to play our players in their natural or favoured positions and get some back from injuries then we will be much better. Look at the difference it made oushing nzogbia back up to left wing on sunday. When enrique's ready to go into the team this will allow nzogbia to forward more regularly and we will be playing with two quality wingers as opposed to being stranded. It was clear we only operated the left flank effectively coz smith was ineffective down the right. Big sam was unlucky dyer had to unexpectedly leave along with solano, both perfectly good wingers. He did not have the time to find an adequate replacement. Also, all of you criticising big sam need to calm down and see what he is trying to do. He is giving us a foundation, starting from scratch, this HAS to be DONE becuase the past two managers predominantly spent on attackers. He is trying to mend our goals conceded average to enable us to compete better. There is a remarkable difference to the way our shape has been at the back we are harder to break down. PATIENCE is something we have to have and is NOT optional. We've got to stop being unrealistic, the club's condition was really bad before big sam came. He is slowly but surely gonna build us back to be a force. So instead of slamming this club's manager why don't you try and be more supportive. He has done well so far. Its just his first season, look at managers like Jol who has had most of that team playing together for over a year maybe more. He can't even string some good results together with THAT SQUAD. All I ever hear now on this article is non-stop whingeing. There are exciting times ahead. We have a manager who has got a plan a REAL plan.

As for those of you who dislike Martins ask yourself this, whose goals last season prevented us being dragged into a more sorry part of the table. Every time he has put on a Newcastle shirt he has always worked hard and given good all round performances. He is a genuine team player, he works for team. Maybe his finishing is not quite consistent but he is only 22, he will get better! He is a quality player, I have seen him play many times for inter, they did not pair him with adriano in the champions league for a laugh it was becuase he has genuine ability as a forward, they could have easily played Cruz or gone 4-5-1. Martins had to work with GR last season. No youngster will improve under him. He nearly drove nzogbia out arguably our best player this season. If it weren't for big sam, nzogbia would have left. As for the person who said martins is 24 can I ask you to upload his birth certificate seen as YOU HAVE IT. Heres some free advice, next time, why don't you try and base such a statement on FACT!!!

Note From Luke
John, your positive outlook is like a ray of sunshine on this gloomy morning. Whatever Allardyce has planned it's going to take time and certainly longer than a few months. I've recovered from my post Arsenal depression. Let's hope the players have as well.

Posted by: John  | September 27, 2007 9:07 PM

Zoli - Hungary wrote...

I don't understand you guys. The club and the team is in crisis for 3-4 years, was totally mismanaged, etc. In this situation even a world class manager needs more time than 3 months to match the Big Four. And Big Sam - who is not world class, but has the ability to build a strong team - is in charge only since June...
Yes, this defeat was a bit embarrassing, but why do you question Sam's ability after 6-7 games?

After these years of chaos this club needs at least 2-3 years, good managing, hard work, a lot of money and big luck to near to the Big 4.

Note From Luke
More wise words Zoli, but if Newcastle lose at City on Saturday things will get even worse. That's the price on the ticket as usless Souness used to say!

Posted by: Zoli - Hungary  | September 28, 2007 8:36 AM

Mark in Washington DC wrote...

John and Luke, Think you got the wrong end of the stick. I was not calling for Sam's head, however by his own actions and comments he has called himself into question. The fitness comments at the start of the season which he was going to sort out and apparently hasn't He also from the word go has blamed everyone and everything under the sun for the teams failings, come on blaming the police is a real gem. Yes we have only lost one game in the league but we haven't played anyone yet. (i.e. Arsenal 'B' team put us to the sword) Point of note everyone has thumped Derby..we lost. And lets face it a number of players playing the other night didn't play 48 hours earlier, so no excuss there. Again I will repeat myself, I AM NOT calling for his head and have already stated that he has/is putting together a good squad, however by his actions and comments (Since the start of the season) I have to question whether he is the manager to take us forward. Honestly I don't dislike Big Sam but don't rate him as a manager who at this level has the right playing tactics and formative vision in his own arsenal to get the best out of our players.

Luke, as for your comment 'do we have the players to challenge for a top four place', if the players Big Sam is bringing in arn't good enough, WHY are we buying them. Why is it other team seem to find all this fantastic talent and we seem to (not always) be picking at scraps.

Note From Luke
The polie excuse was ridiculous, which is why I used it on Tuesday night rather than yet another Michael Owen line! The reason Newcaste don't buy the best players is because they won't come. No Champions League, not in London etc etc


Posted by: Mark in Washington DC  | September 28, 2007 5:12 PM

Richard wrote...

Sam's excuses have irriated me in the same way that Roeder's waffle used to, but let's give him a bit more time before we start to label him a rubbish manager. We're fifth in the Premier League and Arsenal's kids beat plenty of teams last season on their way to the Carling Cup final where they very nearly beat a full strength Chelsea team.

Posted by: Richard  | September 28, 2007 5:23 PM

sebastian kruz wrote...

Hi Luke..
Remember me....comments made in September..well what a srange thing but they came true,Cant we supporters of this once great club accept we have very bad management and owners..a season or two out of the the top flight would be a disater..but its gonna happen and who is to blame..US for letting them get away with a disgraceful job...

Note From Luke
Call me comical Allie but I still don't think Newcastle will go down...

Posted by: sebastian kruz  | March 11, 2008 8:38 AM

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