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Here Comes Derby Day

Posted by Luke on November 7, 2007 12:23 PM | 

Given the ills suffered by Newcastle United and Sunderland this week, a North-East derby is exactly what the doctor would have ordered if Sam Allardyce and Roy Keane had popped along to their local GP this morning.

Newcastle are floundering after back-to-back defeats, including a 4-1 home defeat to Portsmouth, have ruined much of the early-season optimism a solid start brought and rapidly drained whatever confidence Allardyce had built up during his first five months at the helm.

As for Sunderland, dreams of emulating the likes of Wigan and Reading in their first season back in the Premier League have quickly evaporated and Keane is beginning to lose patience with a group of players who have won just two games out of 12 this season. A battle against relegation looks the most likely course of their campaign.

There is no such thing as a miracle cure in medicine, despite what the bible may tell us about Jesus’ exploits, but win local bragging rights on Saturday and it will be amazing how quickly the mood lifts at the victorious club.

Who needs drugs when you’ve got a derby win to savour? What a rush, what a high, what a moment and how on earth did I end up in this lap dancing club at 3am in the morning? But enough of England cricket captain - and Black Cat fanatic - Paul Collingwood’s night out if Sunderland win!

The victorious manager will be assured of his place in the region’s football history and the players will actually be able to go out in town for the next week without being abused! The feel-good factor will instantly be salvaged and the rest of the year’s football fixtures can be looked forward to with renewed zeal

The flip side of this, of course, is lose the derby and the run up to Christmas is going to be a thoroughly miserable experience, the players will be crushed, the manager will be struggling to find any words of motivation and the supporters will feel like hibernating, forgetting Christmas and waking up sometime in 2008.

As most of you will know, I did not grow up in the North-East and I will not be tying my colours to any kind of mast Saturday lunchtime. I know Orient wear red and white, but this does not make me biased towards Sunderland and, although I live and work in Newcastle, I will not be praying for a Geordie victory before I tuck myself into bed with a cup of hot chocolate on Friday night. (Big game so now pre-match drinking session for me, I have assured my editor!)

I will be one of those really annoying people, while the rest of you draw blood in the tips of your fingers after completely biting your way completely through your nails, who hopes football is the winner!

On a serious note, I can’t remember a recent derby where the two teams appear to be so evenly matched. Newcastle will start as slight favourites for me, but Sunderland have a decent chance of securing their first derby win since a certain Niall Quinn headed them to a memorable triumph at St James’s Park back in 2000.

Certainly, this Sunderland side should offer a far stiffer challenge than the previous two derby clashes at the Stadium of Light. In fact, the Black Cats have been so bad during their two record lowest points campaigns that, I’d suggest, beating them hasn’t even been as much fun for Newcastle supporters as it should be.

Having said that, there will be some out there who just relish beating the Black Cats and, if they can embarrass them as well in the process, even better, just as there are some Sunderland fans who want nothing more from the season other than the opportunity to wipe the smug smiles off Newcastle faces with a derby win.

Whatever the extent of your feeling on the local rivalry, the Premier League, and certainly North-East football, is a more vibrant, passionate and exciting place when Sunderland and Newcastle are both in the top flight.

This is one of the great occasions in the region’s calendar, not just in terms of sport, but because everyone, even if they have no real interest in football, will be fascinated by what happens on Saturday because it has such a massive impact on the mood in both cities.

Regular readers will know that I fancy myself as a bit of a tipster, normally based on gut feelings, so I’m going to stick my neck out and make my derby prediction. As I’ve already said, this has nothing to do with an allegiance to either club, but I’m going to go for a 2-2 draw... and take the splinters out of my backside when I get home!

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Comments (14)

Ronnie Lambert wrote...

Doubt it Luke, little will change for Toon fans if we beat Sunlin' as we expected to before the season kicked off. But derbies have destroyed managers before and Sam wasn't Ashley's choice anyway. A win would need to be emphatic to quell the disquiet in Geordie hearts after the pathetic tactics employed thus far. Rozehnal and Taylor speak English so there's a start for another go at fixing the back 4, well, until the others get their C.S.E.'s in English language. Seriously though, we've got two canny wingers, one for EACH side, that's LEFT and RIGHT Sam, didn't mean to shout there, I will on Saturday though. That's LEFT and RIGHT SAM!!!! ZOG on the LEFT! and MILNER on the RIGHT! Oh my blood pressure.

Note From Luke
Ronnie, they don't do CSEs anymore, you're showing your age! I dread to think what your blood pressure will be like if your lot lose on Saturday!

Posted by: Ronnie Lambert  | November 8, 2007 3:27 AM

commulus wrote...

1-4 aaaaagggghhhh

Just found out...still on hols...stop...aaaggh!

Note From Luke
On holiday! Where are you? Are you back for the derby game. Must be in the middle of nowhere if you didn't know about Portsmouth

Posted by: commulus  | November 8, 2007 4:09 AM

James 09 wrote...

A win would be the perfect tonic for us increasingly disgruntled Geordies – but a loss, particularly with another lame performance......no, I’m not going to contemplate it.

Agreed – a win would have an instantly positive impact on Tyneside’s mood and so it should. However, even if that glorious result occurs, (and after bathing in Broon) “the feel-good factor� must be put in perspective. A stale midfield, defending straight out of the (shudder….) Boumsong/Bramble textbook, along with a notable lack of fight, have simply been far too prominent this term to “feel-good� for much longer than a fortnight!!

The Allardyce regime, that is both staff and players, will undoubtedly face some serious heat over these next four games – regardless of Saturday’s result. We cannot be optimistic and look forward to the likes of Liverpool, Arsenal and Blackburn away until Newcastle achieve some minute semblance of consistency – and that starts with the character of performance. If that doesn’t happen in the very near future, i.e. come Saturday, Mr Allardyce would do well to call up the previous two in his place and ask just how disgruntled Newcastle supporters can become.

Luke – I’m far from claiming this is gospel but I too definitely recall reading about Allardyce’s retirement plans, and this was before he came to Newcastle. The Mort interview would suggest otherwise.

Note From Luke
Graeme Souness also talked about retirement and now he's angling after the Wigan job! Sam said today he needs three or five years at Newcastle to take the club where he wants to go. I think managers are always talking about retirement, even Sir Alex Ferguson, contemplated it, but few of them manage to walk away!

Posted by: James 09  | November 8, 2007 9:56 AM

Paul Patterson wrote...

Quick repair the fence, a Journalist has predicted a draw!

I’m not like the supporters who like Derby games, I absolutely despise them, it puts a whole emphasis on winning a game over winning another game that you’re just going to get three points for anywho.

Sir Alex Ferguson and Manchester United don’t seem to bat an eyelid when they get beat of Man City as they usually step up on a Premier League endorsed podium in May.

I’ve always had a perverse dream of getting beat off Sunderland, in the same season that we win the league (Much like Manchester United and City) just to be able to say to Sunderland fans:- ‘Hey! Remember that year you beat us 3-0? Great wasn’t it? We won the league you know?’

But as there is absolutely no chance of that happening this term (Or indeed in the near to mid future) we will have to make do with a Derby win I suppose.

Both sides are evenly matched for the first time in ages and it should prove an interesting encounter, I don’t like predicting at the best of times, but if the game were to end a stalemate then I’d be disappointed, but remotely content till the game at St James’ next year.

2-2 seems a viable score, but Sunderland are struggling for goals, and Newcastle are not the heaviest scorer’s in the world under Allardyce’s defend at all costs approach- so 1-1 seems a MORE viable scoreline to me.

Why can’t teams approach games like a War, or at least a War movie? Imagine General Mike Ashley ordering a few of our players to infiltrate Sunderland's training compound and snatch Premier Roy Keane and bring him back to Newcastle for severe questioning, like in ‘The Eagle Has Landed’ or here’s a novel idea, ‘They don’t like it up ‘em’ and attack them for heavens sake Allardyce.

Paul.

Posted by: Paul Patterson  | November 8, 2007 10:50 AM

Ben wrote...

1-0 to Newcastle half time. Chopra equalise early in second half, Cole on in last 5 mins for winner... well dreams can come true...

I would have said both sets of supporters would be happy with 2-2 (or a draw) after recent form - and the fact no one likes to lose derby games.

My heart says SAFC 2-0, my head says SAFC 2-1 ('Titus' Nosworthy will gift a goal at some point)! But on a serious note, I think both sets of supporters are as nervous as each other about this one - it really could go either way...

Cheers!

Note From Luke
You are a volice of reason Ben, although I'm sure every single Newcastle fan will have something to say about your prediction!

Posted by: Ben  | November 8, 2007 1:33 PM

Ronnie Lambert wrote...

C.S.E.'s was sarcasm Luke, I was going to say eleven-plus as an inference of the level of English language that would be acceptable enough for the foreign back four to communicate with each other, but hey, passing 11+ got you into grammar school in my day. Should've just said G.C.S.E. cos the kidz theez daze are grammatically challenged anyway, just wot football players and managers r like. Ouch! this senility hurts.

Note From Luke
I was being a smart-arse! It's only a matter of time before they replace GCSEs anyway. Standards can't keep going up year after year indefinitely can they?!
To maintain a educational them, I wonder if Big Sam and his players will pass, wait for it, their Sunderland examination on Saturday!

Posted by: Ronnie Lambert  | November 8, 2007 2:25 PM

mark douglas wrote...

Hope Big Sam wakes up and smells the coffee.
My team would be
Harps, Enrique, Beye, Taylor, Rozenhal,
in defence
Zog, Geremi, Faye, Milner in midfield
Viduka, Martins,

Subs Smith, Emre, Capaca, Owen and a keeper.

Lets go at them
Note From Luke
You obviously don't rate Barton. I mean Smith even gets on the bench ahead of him!

Posted by: mark douglas  | November 8, 2007 4:14 PM

Karl Fenham Hustler wrote...

I agree a little with what 'Ronnie' says, in that little will change for newcastle if we beat sunderland because we already expected to. However im not at all dissapointed with the start considering the 'new squad' basically.. And partially due to blind optimism, but im gonna go for newcastle biggest win thus far with a 4-1.. Hurt animal syndrome after portsmouth, and the fact that we have occasionally found ourselves actually playing real football on the odd occassion.. My team for tomorrow,
Harper
Beye, Taylor, Faye, Enrique
Milner, Barton, Emre, N'zogbia
Viduka, Martins
although i wont be dissapointed at all if any of the vid, owen, martins line up is mixed around

Note From Luke
You must have got out of bed on the right side this morning Karl. You are by far the most optimistic person I've heard from so far.

Posted by: Karl Fenham Hustler  | November 9, 2007 9:54 AM

Flat Stan wrote...

I agree with Paul. Derby days fill me with fear and dread. The night before the 2000 match at SJP, I genuinely had a nightmare of watching from the Milburn stand as Newcastle lost, while fans left in their droves all around me. It was dark, grey and cold. The next day.. guess what?! And just to deepen my torment after the match, I was stuck in a queue in the car park off Stowell Street. The ignominy of having to sit and watch a long cavalcade of double-deckers full of jubilant, scarf-waving S*********d fans parading down Blenheim Street for nearly half-an-hour still haunts me. It could go either way tomorrow. I hope at the very least we can be competitive, organised, tight at the back (I've got my hands clasped and eyes upwards here), spirited, positive and that we keep our focus from the first whistle to the last. It will mean that, win or lose, heads can be held high. Is that too much to ask?

Note From Luke
You wouldn't have thought so would you Flat Stan! I wonder what, if any, difference will be made by the fact Sunderland have less foreign players new to English football than Newcastle?

Posted by: Flat Stan  | November 9, 2007 1:05 PM

Rachel McK wrote...

"You wouldn't have thought so would you Flat Stan! I wonder what, if any, difference will be made by the fact Sunderland have less foreign players new to English football than Newcastle?"

I'm confused here. I know it's easily done, but howay... against Man City, Sunderland played with 6 British players (Ireland ain't British). Against Portsmouth, Newcastle played with 7. Foreign players new to English football? Newcastle have 4, Cacapa, Beye, Rozenhal and Enrique. One, probably two of those won't be playing at the weekend.

I'm not that confident going into this game. I think Newcastle have been poor all season despite their 'good' start and just as the games are starting to get hard, we are caving in. If BFS doesn't pull his finger out, we'll be completely out fought.

Note From Luke
I think my point, although you have highlighted the flaws, was that Newcastle have more foreign players new to the PL than Sunderland, although, as you say, two of the four probably won't be playing anyway. Sorry to confuse you Rachel, although you've been a bit slack leaving comments recently so maybe it should be you who is apologising!

Posted by: Rachel McK  | November 9, 2007 2:39 PM

commulus wrote...

I'm still in the middle of the Jungle, lost, but a passing Elephant might get me out of this predicament!

Things look a bit bad for the team, All I have here is Cricket! Muralidaran is doing a 'Shearer' and everone will be happy.

The three legged camel that is 'Bajaj' awaits.

Ayubowan.

Note From Luke
I still have absolutely no idea where you are but hope you get back safely!

Posted by: commulus  | November 11, 2007 4:47 AM

Rachel McK wrote...

Luke,

My sincerest apologies for my poor blog commenting time keeping. I shall try to do better.

S*nderland deserved to win that game. Why the inability from a Newcastle Manager to play the players in their preferred positions? That was one rubbish display. No width, no fight, no ideas, dodgy at the back, not creating anything and yet another lucky goal. We could easily have been beat 4-1.

Note From Luke
I get the distinct impression you aren't very happy Rachel! I will be giving my thoughts on the derby on this site shortly. There is a lot to consider.

Posted by: Rachel McK  | November 12, 2007 10:36 AM

Mark in Washington DC wrote...

Luke and the gang. You are putting forward some good points about the foreign players and the pathetis attempt against the scum, however you are failing to mention the one major problem...The Manager. This week was no different to any other. More messing around with the players, no real structure and no get up and go as the players themselves are constantly trying to figure out what exactly their job is once onthe pitch form one week to the next.

Simple answer call for the chairman to give BS a time line, which has continues improvement. You can only ask for patience if you can see you are moving forward and for the last 6 weeks we have gone further and further back....again the reason for that the inability and failings of another Shepherd appointment.

Note From Luke
I suspect the chairman will already have that sort of view. Allardyce is still on trial I'm sure and he will have to provide evidence that things are improving. It was interesting to note that Mort described Saturday's performance as "disappointing." It will always count against Allardyce that he was Shepherd's appointment.

Posted by: Mark in Washington DC  | November 12, 2007 8:19 PM

greenie wrote...

What a classy comment from Mark in Washington DC referring to Sunderland as scum surprised you let him get away with that Luke but then despite your protestations you are more pro the black and whites. thought you went easy on 1-4 v pompey too. you would have really turned the screw had that happened to Roy Keane's team.

Note From Luke
I've told you all before, I don't get involved in these disputes and I don't favour one side or the other. If anything, I've been accused of favouring Sunderland recently with match reports and comments, but I try to stay as objective as I can. Some people don't like that but that's what a journalist should be.
As for Mark calling you scum, feel free to call him names back. as long as they're not too abusive I'll put them up! Sticks and stones Greene, don't let them wind you up!

Posted by: greenie  | November 13, 2007 1:33 PM

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