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It Doesn't Get Much Worse Than Stoke

Posted by Luke on January 4, 2008 1:00 PM | 

If there is one place you don’t want to go in January it’s Stoke, but enough from the British Tourism Guide. The one place you really don’t want to go to when you are a Premier League manager under pressure after three successive league defeats is Stoke City.

Given that Stoke are the Championship’s equivalent of Allardyce’s Bolton Wanderers - big, direct and physical - it would be ironic if a defeat at the Britannia Stadium brought an end to his time as Newcastle boss. A defeat against a team who model themselves on the team where Allardyce built his reputation would surely be too much for even him to take.

However, I must emphasise at this point that I do not want Newcastle to lose at Stoke and, even if they do, I will stick to my original argument that Big Sam has to be given an entire season, not half of one, to prove he is the right man for the job. I fear, however, that I may be shouting into the wind if Newcastle do suffer a defeat on Sunday.

The reason I say a defeat in the Potteries could be the end of Sam is because I fear it will simply be too much for large sections of the club’s support to take. Let’s face it, if Newcastle tumble out of the FA Cup in the Third Round the season is effectively over with four months left to play. Even Glenn Roeder managed rather more than that, if only because of the club’s involvement in the Uefa Cup.

The FA Cup defeat to Birmingham City in a FA Cup Third Round replay was the moment I decided Roeder was finished as Newcastle’s manager. I can’t see things being much different for Sam unless he clings on and dramatically changes United’s league form and mounts a late European challenge.

Okay, so Newcastle are unlikely to win the FA Cup - it’s been 12 years since anyone other than one of the Big Four managed that particular feat - but at least a cup run generates a bit of excitement and a bit of purpose.

As for the optimists, well someone outside of the Big Four has to win the competition again at some point, so why not Newcastle and why not this year? Erm, lack of ability, confidence-ravaged squad, manager struggling to convince sceptical supporters about style of football, four players leaving for the African Cup of Nations.... I’ll just end there I think!

But what will be gained by sacking another manager other than yet another expensive compensation bill and another squad rebuilding project? I suppose it would give the new man (Martin Jol or Alan Shearer perhaps) time to settle in and have a good look at his squad before the summer transfer window, but haven’t Newcastle been here before, far too many times?

So what will Stoke offer on Sunday? Well, I have a friend who is a Stoke fan and he informs me that, although Tony Pulis has successfully guided the clubs towards a promotion challenge, the fans are split on him because some despise the style of football he plays. Sound familiar?

There will be lots of high crosses into the area and, if former Sunderland full-back Rory Delap plays, you can also expect to see every throw inside Newcastle’s half heading into the penalty area. There will also be the threat of another former Sunderland player, Liam Lawrence, to contend with. you know, blonde one, thought he was David Beckham, liked making home movies with his teammates....

Certainly, Newcastle will have to make the most of whatever chances they create. I don’t necessarily prescribe to Allardyce’s view that the team have been creating lost of goalscoring opportunities during their poor run, but they have been creating enough to have ensured they fared rather better results wise.

Hopefully the return of Michael Owen will remedy this problem. I like Obafemi Martins, but his finishing has been terrible in recent weeks and, as an individual, he has missed more chances than anyone over the Festive period.

I know Michael also wasted a chance against Man City, but his track record shows there is not a more clinical finisher in English football. It really is about time Newcastle saw the prolonged benefits of that £17m investment, starting against Stoke.

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Comments (8)

Paul Patterson wrote...

You started with a dodgy point there Luke,- Allardyce’s Reputation.

The question I would ask is- What reputation? It’s been twisted into some sort of myth that he had any sort of reputation at all.

Now I’ll agree, he got a side playing ‘Spoiling’ football and ‘Percentage’ football, ‘Spoiling’ can be translated into Physical, and ‘Percentage’ can be translated into ‘Persistent’ and ’Constant’.

The more balls you knock into the opposing penalty area, the more ’Percentage’ there is of actually getting some joy- eventually. Sadly the fact that long balls, -or long ‘pass’ to hark back to Allardyce’s unveiling press conference,- must be ‘Persistent and ‘Constant’ for the plan to work.

There was just one, slight flaw with the plan- (to quote Edmund Blackadder)- It was B******s.

The actual thought of watching the level of performance’s we have been seeing thus far, makes me want to switch from my current choice of Cabernet Shiraz, to petrol and then take up fire-eating.

I’ve already suggested that Martin Jol would be a great choice and that being out of all competitions would provide the ultimate in transitional periods, a blank canvas, no expectations, then if he got us into Europe this term? well, knight the man.

And onto Stoke then,I love the F.A Cup and all it's glory, it certainly adds a new dimension to a season, IF your doing well in the league, personally I’m expecting a battle (That usually means a defeat then!!) and once we go a goal down, it’s game over boys!

The League/Carling cup doesn't hold the same sort of umpf and glory (Although, we'd all take it wouldn't we) and personally I'd rather it went back to it's proper title 'League' and was left to the lower league side's to claim a prize.

I think we’ve just about reached the point of no-return with Allardyce, for if we beat Stoke, that just delays, what I see as the inevitable, what if we then lose to Bolton?

I share the comparison many use with Sir Alex Ferguson, in 1990, in the need to give a manager time, but a more closer to home comparison would be Kenny Dalglish, shoddy performances (Some results achieved) and a good cup run, but mid-table mediocrity at best, but then remember what happened to him?

Paul.

Posted by: Paul Patterson  | January 4, 2008 9:19 PM

James 09 wrote...

Luke - I disagree with Allardyce's assertion that we have been creating loads of goal-scoring opportunities. Why?? - because its simply not true. If someone had listened to Allardyce's post-match comments without actually watching the Brum, Derby (at SJP), Chelsea, and City matches, they'd be forgiven for thinking Newcastle United slaughtered them in all but the result.

There's a distinct difference between (1) applying good pressure and opening a few good opportunities with lots of half-chances, and (2) creating a glut of CLEAR-CUT so-called “genuine� chances. The former situation occurs routinely in Premiership matches (indeed it does across all leagues), and I certainly don't feel we did the latter in any of those matches. Yes our lack of finishing has hurt us badly, BUT we have blatantly failed to create nearly enough genuine goal scoring opportunities - that has been a major factor this season.

My criticism of Allardyce is not primarily directed at his "style" of football. Sure I don't like it, BUT I would gladly settle for it (at least for a season or two) IF (and that is a major if) it was producing results for Newcastle United. With this squad - it simply isn't. He has to adapt and move on from his one-dimensional approach - this season would cast serious doubt over whether Sam Allardyce can in fact do that.
Currently, 9 points from the last 36 (with some pathetic performances to boot) does not really provide you with sufficient time to successfully mould a different set of players to your football philosophy.

For me, the argument surrounding this season and Allardyce in particular, has never centred on the lack "attractive" flowing attacking football - it has been about performances and results. It's patently obvious that a team does not have to play like Wenger's Arsenal or Rijkaard’s Barcelona to generate successful football - Capello, Mourinho, and Hitzfeld teams are quintessential of that. You would never catch me complaining with the latter.

I never expected Allardyce to win a cup or qualify for Europe this season BUT I certainly didn't expect the frequency of rubbish results and horrid performances we have experienced so far.

I don't think the Stoke result should be "make-or-break" for Allardyce. Although I agree that if we lose this match, the pressure could well reach intolerable levels.

For me, the vital matches coming up are Bolton and Boro at SJP in the league - if we're still not winning those types of matches, Newcastle United will likely be stuck in a bottom of the table scrap. If that occurs, Newcastle United supporters, along with Chris Mort and Mike Ashely, have every reason to seriously question whether Sam Allardyce should be given more time to prove he is the right man for Newcastle United.


Posted by: James 09  | January 5, 2008 3:52 AM

Ronnie Lambert wrote...

Paul Patterson's spot on about BS's reputation, it was as James 09 said, nothing more than percentage football. He is not ever going to get any better or cleverer than he is now, and his supposed reputation is only as a tough talking, no-nonsense kinda guy. Big deal! My mate's like him, swore he would never go back to a local music shop for guitar strings or anything cos they wouldn't refund him 25 pence for a guitar screw after he'd ripped open the packet to discover it was the wrong size. Now he has to travel a 12 mile round trip because of his misguided principles, or stubbornness. That's Allardyce. Doesn't think he's doing anything wrong and won't cowtow to massive opinion, or listen to it even. Even though he tried to play it on the ground today at Stoke, not for the fans, but probably to baffle the ' giants ', we were still inept. Owen, whilst still looking a shadow of his former glory had very little service, and the defence were also very lucky. I can't even be bothered to write any more about that buffoon since reading today in the Sunday Sun that he's going in for what's his name from Bolton....SIGHHHHH

Posted by: Ronnie Lambert  | January 6, 2008 11:22 PM

Kevin wrote...

Come on Luke, put Big Sam out of his misery, and ours already. How much longer do we have to endure watching his awful football? Big Sam was found out a few months already. Sven started at Citeh the same time like Big Sam with us, and look at the Swede now. The difference is abysmal, and no one can convince me that Citeh had the better players going into the season. Here's another one, Juande at Spurs. The Spaniard didn't have the luxury of signing any of his players like Big Sam did, and it's obvious Tottenham will be on the up very soon. Big Sam is a fraud, his style of football is for small clubs at best with no possibility of challenging for any titles.

Note From Luke
To play Devil's Advocate, Sven spent £40m, although nobody can argue he has done a far better job than Sam. Regular readers will know I was Sven's biggest supporter for the Newcastle job but Freddie thought he's knew best, as ever! As for Ramos, he inherited a squad which finished fourth in the league last season - a squad which was also strengthened with £40m worth of new talent in the summer.

Posted by: Kevin  | January 7, 2008 3:45 AM

Nick wrote...

Luke,

As we are looking as though we will stay up and have no chance of European qualification, Viduka and Owen are both hopeless and for me both are finished, what do you think about throwing Andy Carroll into the first team this season and giving him premiership games?

Along with Taylor, Milner, N’Zogbia and Martins we would have a core of the side with their best years ahead of them. Allardyce could prove to everybody he could manage players and we wouldn’t have to see the club buying and playing players who don’t actually want to be at NUFC anyway.

Note From Luke
It is an idea, but I feel you are a little premature writing off Viduka and Owen! I'm interested to know what has happened to Shola Ameobi. It seems his days at SJP are numbered considering Andy C was preferred to him at Stoke.

Posted by: Nick  | January 7, 2008 3:23 PM

edh1986 wrote...

the miserable sod in me wonders whether its worth beating stoke in the replay only to get beaten by arsenal in the fourth round. But thats too negative, magic of the cup etc, oh yes........
I
thought we looked better at stoke and I'm going to stick my head out and say we have to give allardyce at the very least a season. I honestly cant see what a change now would do - bang in the middle of the transfer window - we might lose BSs transfer targets and would the new man have the time to seek out his own? Hiring and firing on a regular basis hasn't worked for newcastle in the past and SBRs first two season were both mid table finishes - we didn't see the benefit until the 2001-02 season really. I thought we looked ok at stoke - but dont forget what happened against birmingham last year... I lived with a villa fan and we werent on speaking terms for a day or two!

Posted by: edh1986  | January 7, 2008 6:17 PM

Little Lord Fauntleroy wrote...

Firstly, let me congratulate you on the news that you're making an honest woman of my sister. Good stag do in the planning, as long as it's not in June!!

Secondly, using your unbiased, professional opinion, how long has Allardyce really got? Is he really going to make it to the end of this season, or is it likely that, with defeats in the FA Cup replay, at Old Trafford and at home to Bolton, he could be out by February?

You know I've never liked the man. I used to go out of my way to sell my ticket when he used to bring Bolton here. He's done nothing to convince me that he will take this club anywhere other than backwards.
Early on, opinion was split across this blog about whether he was any good or not. I would like to think I've given him enough time now to realise he's got to go.
His tactics are one-dimensional and his style of football is awful!! His transfer targets have done nothing to excite me either.

I don't appreciate the pundits sitting in London saying 'you have to give him time'. They don't shell out their hard earned money to sit and watch that dross each week.

Mr. Allardyce, it's time to leave.

Note From Luke
He must have heard you!

Posted by: Little Lord Fauntleroy  | January 9, 2008 12:25 PM

Little Lord Fauntleroy wrote...

I didn't think for one minute he'd take any notice of me!!! Didn't know i held so much sway in the area either!!!

Note From Luke
You don't!

Posted by: Little Lord Fauntleroy  | January 10, 2008 12:27 PM

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