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So That's What They Mean By The Magic Of The Cup

Posted by Luke on February 18, 2008 4:31 PM | 

And just when you thought football had become dull and boring, too obsessed with the pursuit of a new global market to still be the national game of the people.... and then Barnsley knock Liverpool out of the FA Cup!

So while the Big Four swagger around crowing about their monopoly of domestic honours and the riches of the Champions League, while the Premier League fumbles around looking for ways to play domestic matches in Singapore or Miami, little old Barnsley have proven there is still some magic left in the FA Cup and some romanticism left in football.

Of course, it's a shame neither Newcastle or Sunderland have any interest in the competition because the way the draw has opened up means there is a decent chance of reaching the final. Middlesbrough, if they beat Sheffield United in a replay at the Riverside next week, will get another Championship side, Cardiff City, in the quarter-final.

I just wish Cheslea and Manchester United had been paired together in Monday's draw, but if Barnsley can go to Anfield and win, why not Stamford Bridge?

A squad worth more than £100m pounds and the fact lightening doesn't normally strike twice almost certainly means their cup run will end at the quarter-final stage, but they won't care. For those who were at Anfield last weekend, the memories will make the next 10 years of watching unglamorous football in the Championship worth while.

For the rest of us, well me at least, it also restored my faith in the world's most famous cup competition and with Arsenal and Liverpool both already out, I think the rest of football should hope that Chelsea and Manchester United meet in the semis and somebody, anyone, even Middlesbrough, lift the trophy at Wembley in May.

Okay, I might have pushed it a little too far with most of you by mentioning the smoggies as potential winners, but hopefully you catch my drift.

I was talking to Jim Montgomery, the former Sunderland goalkeeper who was part of the Black Cats side which beat the overwhelming favourites Leeds United in the 1973 final. I have to admit, I wasn't even born then, but during our conversation last week he argued the FA Cup - and maybe football generally - needed something like that to happen again.

And he's right, it needs a Portsmouth or a Sheffield United, a West Brom, a whoever, to pull of an upset and give football back its ability to shock and surprise us.

Either that, or we can just sit back and watch the same old teams winning the same old competitions over and over again, while simultaneously seeing the same four clubs qualify for the Champions League year and after to access its riches so they can poach all the best players from their rivals across Europe and beyond.

That might be fun for the armchair fan in Macclesfield or Melbourne, Harwich or Hong Kong, it might be the sort of football a Johnny come lately show pony like Chelsea fan Tim Lovejoy loves.

But I'd like to have some excitement back, I'd like to be able to believe that, in football, anything can happen. That Leyton Orient can be promoted to the Premier League and that a North-East team other than Boro can win a trophy again!

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Comments (9)

Paul Patterson wrote...

Now hang on Luke, Orient in the premiership?- What kind of crazy drugs are you on?

And Boro win the F.A Cup?- What kind of crazy drugs are you on?

But seriously, I watched the whole Liverpool/Barnsley game in the same state of awe as you, the simple fact that a side can still chuck themselves about in the attempt to humiliate their millionaire opponents is a great sight- But I do advise a note of caution. . .

I have been a voice against the Spanish Waiter for ages now (I may be the only one) because he seems to have total contempt for everything that isn’t the Champions League and it was about time he was taken down a peg or two.

Yes I know, he won the Champions League circa 2005, yes, yes, bravo, but that was a complete fluke, lets be fair, and can anyone remind me where they finished that year in the league? Nowhere near Champions I am sure of that.

Yes, the side came back from 3-0 down, but that still means the side were 3-0 down in the first place,- very dodgy if you ask me.

Now there will be people out there that will say ’Would you turn your noses up at a Champions League trophy paraded round Newcastle streets in the same circumstances?- Well obvious not. But the stupid rotation policy just grinds on me that much I must knock Manuels fat cousin a bit at every chance I get.

Didn’t he once go 50 odd games without playing the same side twice in a row? Now that takes some doing.

If the Spanish Waiter REALLY wanted to beat Barnsley, then he would have deployed Steven Gerrard from the start, play his best side and then when the quality tells, and Liverpool are 3-0 up (Which will happen if they all try their damnedest) THEN, you can haul Gerry and all his high profile Pacemakers off in favour of reserve compatriots to see the tie out.

Benitez took a gamble and lost, managers with a lot less resources than him have not got that luxury to drop players.

Mr Fawlty, Mr Fawlty??

Paul.

Posted by: Paul Patterson  | February 18, 2008 7:42 PM

Dale wrote...

Luke,a bit off topic. But I would like to congratulate you on an excellent piece with Sir Bobby the other day. Brilliant read. I take my hat off to that man. If they was a man who deserved a knighthood it was him. Good luck Bobby in whatever you do.

On another note do you not think it was a coincidence that that our last successful challenge on the league came under his guidance? He came to us as sort of a "foreign" manager as he had never managed in the English league for about 15 years. I still feel we missed a chance to bring in an overseas coach with new ideas after we sacked Big Sam.

Note From Luke
If you have been reading this blog for a while Dale you know I wanted Sven Goran Eriksson to replace Glenn Roeder and Jose Mourinho (no matter how difficult it would have been) to replace Sam Allardyce. i think there is a mistaken belief by those who run the club that Newcastle fans don't want a foreign manager. While this may be true of a bigoted minority, I think the vast majority of fans just want the best man for the job. However, let's see if KK is that man for now, all the talk about who is going to be the next manager has drained me this season! I and, more importantly, the club, desperately needs a period of stability.

Posted by: Dale  | February 19, 2008 2:33 PM

Eric Johnson wrote...

Want to break the top 4's strangle hold? Two concepts: salary caps and tight roster limits.

The game is now becomming one in which all the have-not's pray for a billionaire owner while realizing that without such a white knight the chances of really competing for anything are close to zilch. Installing salary caps and tight roster limits will allow small market (read non-London) teams to have an legitmate chance.

I'll step aside now and allow the killing of the messenger to commence...

Note From Luke
It's an idea, unfortunately I don't know if it can work because the clubs would prob appeal to the European Courts and claim its a restriction on fair trade. The PL clubs would have to vote for it and I can't see the bigger clubs agreeing to anything which makes it a level playing field again. I hate to say it, but perhaps Sepp Blatter's quota on foreign players might help a little bit.

Posted by: Eric Johnson  | February 19, 2008 5:34 PM

Little Lord Fauntleroy wrote...

I wholeheartedly agree that it would be nice to see someone other than the 'Top 4' win a trophy, but if it's Middlesbrough they'll get more ideas that they're a big club. However, they might start getting 20,000 for a home game more regularly. I don't like 'Boro or their fans, so I shall be cheering for Sheffield United and if necessary Cardiff!

It would be nice to see Portsmouth or West Brom win the FA Cup, but that'll just heap more misery on us for having won less than another smaller club yet again.
I can't see us ever winning anything. Maybe I'm just pessimistic, but after 25 years of watching sh*te with sporadic good spells, I think I'm more realistic. Perhaps it's a curse, or perhaps we're just not good enough.

Posted by: Little Lord Fauntleroy  | February 20, 2008 9:38 AM

Ronnie Lambert wrote...

With regard to Paul Patterson's point about Liverpool's up-down form being ' dodgey ', we-ell, last nights Herculean effort against Inter Milan in comparison to Barnsley's shock win only compounds his theory. Admittedly, Inter only had ten men, but wey man they were neither of them even yellow card offences. Some years ago, we beat them 3-0 at St. James' in what was a controversial game to say the least. Their clown keeper Grobbelar admitted to a sunday paper sting that he'd been payed fifty grand to let 3 goals in against Newcastle in an Asian betting scam. And in retrospect, he did look as though he hadn't tried very hard to save them. I think Paul's perception may well be onto the fragrance of rat. In this world of ' everything's a conspiracy ', a recently deceased ( probably murdered ) Aussy investigative reporter called Joe Vialls said, " If it looks suspicious, it probably is." Do we kid ourselves that these mafia betting scamsters just went away quietly to get jobs on the council or Macdonuts, or that all footballers, agents, managers and directors became born-again Christians? Little Bobby Thompson ( a deceased Geordie comedian for you young Luke ) used to say," Who knaas what gans on behind closed doors?" An' that's the golden question. Aa reckon that a mackem/smoggie mafia have been rigging toon matches for 47 years that Aa've been gannin', an' I really believe that.

Posted by: Ronnie Lambert  | February 20, 2008 2:18 PM

Ste wrote...

I sat on the kop for the match on Saturday and I think Ronnie and Paul are doing Barnsley a disservice. The loanee keeper from West brom made 7 or 8 top draw saves and their defence threw themselves in front of everything. The Barnsley fans were great as well.

Barnsley got out of their half only a handful of times and the two shots on goal they did have went in. That's the way it goes and that is where 'the magic of the cup' comes from.

one last thing, Rafa once went over 90 games changing the side everytime, not 50. If you look at last season when United won the league, and the season before when Chelsea won the league, both Fergie and Mouriniho rotated more than 90 times as well. They just had better squads to do it with.

Note From Luke
I had been told you'd made the journey back to Merseyside on Saturday to watch that debacle! Question is, would you have happily taken that result if you knew you'd beat Inter Milan 2-0 in the Champions League a few days later?

Posted by: Ste  | February 20, 2008 4:39 PM

Paul Patterson wrote...

Ronnie and Ste: I don’t expect people to agree with me, but it’s just something I have against The Spanish Waiter.

I don’t have any connection to Liverpool supporters, except that as a Geordie supporter, we like to see attacking, flowing football, much like the scousers, that I think we do have in common.

Maybe you can call it a personal thing, which I know is just plain silly to let it get in the way of a good manager, but I think Benitez is just over-rated (Bloated- in every meaning of the word) by the Champions League win of 2005.

I like Ferguson, Wenger and especially Mourinho as managers, but hate them as people as they all seem to see things with dark glasses and guide dogs in tow. Although I do have a Special fondness for the Special One as I’ve followed his career since he was Sir Bobby’s pocket translator at Lisbon. Maybe all the great managers have to have this trait?

Ronnie, I couldn’t see Liverpool scoring if they played for two more hours against Inter, Matarazzi’s two yellow cards were insults to the words ‘fair play’ and should be recinded immediately, but that doesn’t help Inter now, they are probably out- yet more evidence of the luck that seems to follow The Spanish Waiter around.

Maybe he will win the Champions League with that kind of luck and fair play to Liverpool, their fans deserve it, they aren’t arrogant like Man United fans or Chelsea fans, but that doesn’t mean I have to like Benitez.

The only sympathy I have with him, is that I hate Rich American owners that know nowt about football even more than over-rated Spanish Waiters, he certainly hasn’t been helped by Hicks and Gillette and they should be sent back from whence they came.

Ste: You’ve highlighted my point, 90 GAMES FOR HEAVENS SAKE?? Jesus- some clubs can get away with it, some can’t, play a settled side at Liverpool and let everyone get into little partnerships all over the park, it obviously hasn’t worked for Liverpool as their league tilt at the title is as far away as ever and they’ve spent a lot of money.

I don’t know what he gets from dropping Gerrard and then when the teams in the preverbial, he bungs him on as if he’s Superman and ‘It’s Ok now, Gerrards on we will win the game now’ attitude, well he got what he deserved, out on his proverbial Spanish Arse.

He’s got as much chance of waiting on tables in Fawlty Towers before he wins the English Premier League.

At least Basil gave Manuel a clip every now and again.

Paul.

Note From Luke
This could run and run....

Posted by: Paul Patterson  | February 20, 2008 6:21 PM

Ste wrote...

Good question!

I don't think I would no, I guess any football fan wants to see their team competing in as many competitions as possible.

You've got to be in it to win it as they say.

Posted by: Ste  | February 20, 2008 7:37 PM

Ronnie Lambert wrote...

My left cheek was definitely filled with tongue for part of my comments and I applaud Barnsley's effort, I also acquiesce with many of Paul's points. But the Grobbelar thing, the ' no way on earth were they yellow cards thing ' and the recent manager/agent bungs thing, which incidentally have still seen no prosecutions, are constant reminders that the fans who dig deep into their pockets possess the moral high-ground and are the pawns in this once beautiful game. Onto another of the game's most unsavoury characters and our next game....Fergie is without doubt the king of propoganda, he could've taught Goebbels a thing or two. Psyching his team and supporters up by demonizing our club and our vicious fans for getting his dear pal/useless manager the sack. He may as well have told them that we throw Manc babies in the air and catch them on our bayonets. I wonder what evils he'll be telling them about KK this week. I just hope we beat them on Saturday, I'd love it.

Posted by: Ronnie Lambert  | February 21, 2008 2:08 PM

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