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What Do We Do With Joey Barton?

Posted by Luke on May 20, 2008 6:09 PM | 

Given the black humour of the terraces it would not be a surprise if some Newcastle fans are intent on singing “He’s fat, he’s round, he punches people to the ground, Joey Barton, Joey Barton.� when following their side in the Premier League next season.

But it is indicative of the strength of feeling which the controversial midfielder provokes that others will hope the only black and white stripes they see the Scouser wearing in the future is his prison uniform.

It is important we do not trivialise what Barton has done, even on a light-hearted blog like this. He has, according to the judge who sentenced him to six months in prison on Tuesday, committed a “violent and cowardly act.�

He has, in a drunken rage, punched someone to the ground, sat on them and repeatedly punched them in the face. Having finished his own street impression of the Ultimate Fighting Championship, he walked away and, moments later, punched a 16-year-old boy so hard in the face, the blow broke his teeth. I am told the crystal clear CCTV footage which prompted Barton to enter a guilty plea is absolutely shocking.

Without sitting too primly on the moral high ground, how would you feel if that teenager was your son, little brother, cousin or family friend? If Barton was not a footballer, just ask yourself for a second, would you let him continue to work for you, or would you want to work with him knowing what he had done?

It is the sort of mindless, drunken thuggery which shames this nation every weekend of the year. It is why this nation is despised in holiday resorts all over the world and it is why Chelsea and Manchester United fans will be locked in alcohol free holding pens before Wednesday night’s Champions League Final in Moscow.

Barton is a product of that culture, he just also happens to be a half decent footballer. We turned a blind eye to Paul Gascoigne’s problems for years because he could play a bit and look what state he’s in now. Barton is receiving help from the Sporting Chances clinic, but he was already receiving help when he decided to go on the rampage in Liverpool.

Some people simply cannot handle their drink and Barton is one of them. Does that make him a victim? A victim of society, of his environment, of his addiction to alcohol, a victim who deserves another chance at redemption?

Maybe it does, but does Barton deserve that chance as a Newcastle United footballer who earns more than £60,000-a-week for the privilege? In my opinion, he does not.

It’s not like this is a first offence, he has had plenty of chances before and, lest we forget, this is a 25-year-old who is also awaiting trial for allegedly assaulting his former Manchester City teammate Ousmane Dabo.

To put what Barton has done into some sort of context, Eric Cantona was given 200 hours of community service for drop kicking a fan who was racially abusing him from the stands in 1995 and banned for nine months by the Football Association.

In contrast, although Barton will deservedly spend time behind bars for his attack, with good behaviour, his six month sentence will be reduced and he could be playing again for Newcastle in time for pre-season - unless his contract is terminated.

It is undoubtedly a complex decision for manager Kevin Keegan and chairman Chris Mort. Barton cost the club £5.8m, after a dreadful start to his Newcastle career - frustration which played its part in those horrific events of December 27 - he became an important part of the team’s revival under Keegan.

Keegan will feel he has to show loyalty to a member of his squad. Newcastle’s manager sent a letter to the court praising Barton’s character since he became United’s manager again in January. But, does that mean we should forgive and forget, sweep everything under the carpet and hope a vital lesson has been learnt by one of football’s most troubled souls?

Significantly, Newcastle are also looking to trim the wage bill this summer and Barton is one of the top earners. Why would you pay someone while they are in jail and why would you want to when he has dragged the club’s name through the mud with his actions?

At the moment, the club are, in public, keeping their thoughts to themselves, but what do you think Newcastle should do?

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Comments (38)

Paul Patterson wrote...

Many thoughts cross my mind here and all of them varied and far reaching with their stance.

In many ways the immediate thought is to wash your hands of the whole sorry episode and write off the contract whatever the cost, just on principle, to show you aren’t standing for it.

I once thought that it might just be best to do that and tell him to sling his hook and get rid, but then you put it into context- he comes from a background of problems, not all his own, he is a self confessed alcoholic, which he has admitted to Kevin that he needs help for and he hasn’t been in trouble since Kevin took over.

Newcastle United also stood by Lee Bowyer and Keiron Dyer when they decided to lump each other in front of 52,000. Now that’s not an excuse, but I think you all know where I’m going.

I see Joey Barton as a player and person that you just need to persist with and show him a way forward.

Alcoholism is a tricky thing- I don’t remember George Best ever saying ‘Er You know what? I think I may have a problem here?’ he just sauntered through life and his problems with the sauce are now, sadly overshadowing everything he did with a football.

Also Roy Keane went out and deliberately broke a players cruciate and bragged about it later, so we haven’t seen him disgrace himself on the field like Keane, Bowyer and Dyer yet.

Also Newcastle United have form with regards to signing trouble makers- we stood by Craig Bellamy when he cause ‘Rumble in the Jungle II’ in Newcastle airport, by hoying chairs at coach John Carver, we signed Woodgate and Bowyer, who had racial convictions over their heads, so I don’t think we can just write Barton off, because of his problems.

Like everything in life, this stance by me, will probably be reviewed when/if he is brought to book over the Man City affair, but at this moment in time I have a step by step process, that may upset fans and a certain Newcastle player in the process.

1- I’d give him what Kevin has done so far, support and a shoulder.

2- (This may shock you) I’d give him the Captains armband and build a midfield around him.

In return I’d want a product from him- no more trouble, goals from midfield and service for the front line and that would serve Newcastle United better than just chucking £6m away.

Time will tell what the club do.

Paul.

Note From Luke
You are in danger of turning the manager's job at NUFC into that of a social worker Paul. As for making him captain, that would be tantamount to rewarding the guy for smashing someone's face in. I agree he has problems and needs help, but he is not the victim in this.

Posted by: Paul Patterson  | May 20, 2008 7:35 PM

Eric wrote...

I am sure that Joey Barton, like many footballers, has been coddled and spoiled by those around him for years due to his ability to kick a ball. The same thing happens all over the globe in most all professional sports. Because of this, I'm guessing that Joey doesn't have a lot of other skills with which to earn a living and contribute to society.

You ask, "If Barton was not a footballer, just ask yourself for a second, would you let him continue to work for you, or would you want to work with him knowing what he had done?"

Of course he would continue to work for most companies in the UK and abroad. The direct answer to your question is that there are many, many individuals who have been prosecuted for violent crimes working for major corporations. How many top engineers have domestic violence assault convictions? Thousands perhaps? And they keep their jobs. How many have problems with alcohol and/or drugs? Yet they keep their jobs. I'm a prosecutor in the States and I've personally prosecuted many professionals for many types of crimes against persons and most everyone maintains employment--usually at the same company so long as the crime didn't involve the company in any way.

Baning him from football isn't an answer: you really don't want to take away the one thing he can do, the one thing that would make it even possible for him to contribute to society in any real way.


Should he be allowed to contribute while at NUFC? It's a tough question--he'll likely go on to star for someone if we let him go--he's got talent. If I were Mike Ashley I'd let him go. Joey will land on his feet somewhere. Good luck to him. I hope he'll get his head on straight over the next few months.

Note From Luke
I guess my point about "working for you" meant if you were unable to do your job for up to six months because of a conviction for a violent crime, how many employers would hold that job open?

Posted by: Eric  | May 20, 2008 8:27 PM

Edmonde Dante wrote...

Well this is complete mess is it not? The saddest thing is, it's an entirely predictable mess. Cheers Samuel.

I'm not really sure what the right thing to do is, never mind whether doing the right thing is compatible with the clubs finances. Do we sack him, save on wages but wave goodbye to the £5.8 million investment? We can hardly sell him, who'd be interested? Welcoming him back after he's released/escaped dressed as the laundry woman would result in a rather horrible feeling in the pit of my stomach. To be honest, even though he improved slightly in the second half of the season, that meant he was just awful rather than effing awful.

Personally, I'd terminate his contract and try and sue the buffoon who signed him in the first place for the value of the transfer fee. Though that's not going to happen in the real world.

Well, looks like I'm fresh out of ideas, so it's over to Ashley, Mort et al to make a decision. Or bury their heads in the sand for a few months.

Note From Luke
I wouldn't be surprised if thing go quiet for a few days and we hear from the powers that be after Barton has been tried for the Dabo incident next month.

Posted by: Edmonde Dante  | May 20, 2008 10:12 PM

Karl Little wrote...

Shocking behaviour that can in no way be excused; however why should he be banned from playing "for life" ?

Sadly the case seems to be that he gets chance after chance because he is a footballer; but that is not his fault - that is just the way the World turns.

But now - finally - he has rightly been punished ; so hopefully this will be the making of him.

HOWEVER ... although Im am defending his right to a continued footballing career, why oh why would/should Newcastle United continue to pay him while he is in jail ... ?

Note From Luke
I agree Karl. He has every right to resume his career as a professional footballer - I would be allowed to continue to be a journalist if I had done the same - but I doubt very much it will be at NUFC - the Journal wouldn't continue to employ me if i was unable to do my job for six months because I was banged up behind bars.

Posted by: Karl Little  | May 20, 2008 10:59 PM

Andy wrote...

Re Paul

You often write some interesting all be it long winded stuff on this blog. But your stuff today is quite simply apologistic drivel.

Forget for one second this guy is a (NUFC) footballer. This guy is bad bad news. With the cigar in face, training ground and two incidents on one night this guy is clearly a serial thug. His 'attacks' are not just the odd bit of late night/post beer fisticuffs - they are both savage and grevious.

As long as any club persist in the view that anyone who kicks a ball well can be forgiven anything then football and the club he plays for will be held in contempt. NUFC are bigger than that.

One final thing -this guy is 26 -he is no kid. Good riddance to bad news.

Posted by: Andy  | May 20, 2008 11:34 PM

Dave B wrote...

Luke - Barton must be in breach of his contractual terms (unless NUFC condone employees going around lamping people).

If he is breach of his contract then I'd suspect he be liable to pay NUFC damages if, crucially, NUFC chose to pursue the matter. So as I see it there may be a way out in terms of getting rid yet not getting stung.

In respect to the Barton himself, opinion seems split (like many a lip). Some say he's rotten to the core others just misunderstood.

For me his major problem is he can't back down when put in situations like this. This is how it goes. Someone winds him up. Our Joey takes this as moral justification for unleashing hell by using the play ground get out clause 'but he started it....' (lets be honest we all know or know of someone like this).

Being man enough to walk away some of the time won't do. He has to ignore this provocation totally. Has he got this in him?

I have my doubts.

Note From Luke
The worrying thing is he has been given plenty of chances before. Man City could have sacked him twice.

Posted by: Dave B  | May 21, 2008 8:49 AM

Rob wrote...

Personally I think NUFC should sell him. It's the easy way out for us. We get him off the wage bill and we recoup some of the money we paid for him. We've got to remember he has the Dabo incident hanging over him too, and just how many second chances does Barton need? City had the right idea, we should follow suit.

Posted by: Rob  | May 21, 2008 9:52 AM

zulu wrote...

Hi Luke,
PERSONALLY I WOULD SACKED HIM.
But I would like to come from a different angle, Chelsea ripped up one of their contracts for a player using cocaine (Muto) and then tried to counter sue when he signed for Inter (I think) and the argument was he was no longer 'fit' to play for Chelsea.
If Barton is unavailable for selection due to being locked up - he is AWOL. Dismiss him, and sue him when some other sucker signs him up.
Also think it was another example of bad buying on our behalf.
Like ol Craig Bellamy, we are well rid of this rubbish,and its not as if he or Bellamy have set the world alight for their new clubs is it ?
We need to remember its a team sport, and with supporters who pay with their hard earned cash week in, and week out.

Posted by: zulu  | May 21, 2008 10:16 AM

Ron wrote...

It is time we acted like a responsible organisation, rather than as a "Del-boy Trotter" outfit. Any large organisation in this situation would sack their employee immediately, on grounds of frustration of contract. (If the remaining non-amortised element of his transfer value is an issue then we could also sue him and rely on his next (less scrupulous) club picking up that tab.

At some point we have to send a signal that we will not tolerate behaviour bringing us into disrepute in the way he has. We have a new regime now: I hope they will think and act as a serious organisation would.

Posted by: Ron  | May 21, 2008 12:00 PM

Jason Craiggs wrote...

This is another crucial element to what was already going to be a crucial summer for Mike Ashley's stewardship. In reality Barton should be sacked for gross misconduct but his registration kept so we get a feee if someone else wants to take the chance with him, and someone will because he is a good player. face it if someone is prepared to pay an over rated Lee Hughes in his thirties to play football after killing someone then doubtless there is a club wiling to pay a quality midfielder in his prime.

Ashley I am sure with a business head on he would want to get rid, fair enough and I agree in a moral sense, but he then has to make extra money avialable for KK to replace him on top of what what was already planned, because like it or not he is a talented footballer and at his best is a box to box midfielder who can tackle, create and score and where do you get one of those in the current climate for £5.8m? Even if you could do you think he would choose Tyneside ahead of London with no European football? In the new formation under KK Barton was finally starting to show how good he can be and was a key part of our upturn in form and avoiding the big R. Without this incident I am sure would be a mainstay of our midfield next season and a key element of what I am sure will be a succesfull campaign, so to sack him and replace him would cost the club the £5.8m they would have to write off and another £10m as a conservative estimate to replace him. Don't fudge the issue with the saving £3.12m in wages over the course of a year because we would have to pay a replacement a similar amount.

Face facts, unless Ashley is prepared to stump up the cash to support his and most of our morals we cannot afford in a financial or playing sense to do without Joey Barton, sad but true.

Note From Luke
Very true Jason, which I suspect is why the club are biding their time at this stage before making any sort of public announcement. Weighing up the pros and cons with a buisness head firmly on. As you say, sad but true.

Posted by: Jason Craiggs  | May 21, 2008 12:12 PM

Ian wrote...

I agrees with Jason. In an ideal world we should send him packing, his actions are inexcusable. However, we can't really afford to sack him either financially or from a football perspective and in my opinion he can be a good player for us, particularly in the new 4-3-3 formation.

One possible solution if the club do decide they would like to keep him is this. We terminate his contract for gross misconduct and as we still hold his registration he could not play for anyone else. We could then offer him a new contract, with clauses to cover this sort of 'incident', at a much lower wage. As he could not sign for anyone else he would be forced to take it. Cynical yes, but to be honest he deserves everything he gets.

Posted by: Ian  | May 21, 2008 12:52 PM

Dan wrote...

Well i think we should wait until the sentence has been done and hes out of prison before deciding what to do with his contract, im not defending what he did at all, it was sickening but does throwing away his career, and like many footballers with his background the only thing he is good at really gonna solve the problem? All i can do really is have faith in the prison system and our manager to bring Joey through this ordeal and get him back to being the footballer he should be. Sacking him now must just lead Joey to do the same again and leave him with the same vices that have marred the names of Gazza and George Best. The solution, Ashley wants to reduce the wage bill. Don't rip up the contract, tell him if he wants to keep playing he has to sign this new one with his wages slashed at least in half and tell him he has to earn his way back on to his previous wages. I firmly believe he can take the example of another footballer, Jermaine Pennant and realise the error of his ways and keep his head down, plug away with goals and earn the respect of those around him again.
On a similar note, with Newcastle building up their youth team would it be worth investing in extra psycologists, psychiatrists and counsellors for the academy because it seems that these PL academies can teach lads how to kick a ball but not how to be a member of society and roll model for the countless number of young supporters of his team

Posted by: Dan  | May 21, 2008 1:12 PM

Henry1892 wrote...

Barton is in the same mould as Allerdyce was, we didn't want him but once we had him we gave him a chance.
He's had his chance now get rid and recoup what we can.
How can his team mates want to train with a time bomb like him around?

Posted by: Henry1892  | May 21, 2008 1:14 PM

Brian Siller wrote...

This issue is more complex than it first seems. I'm not familiar with the terms of the transfer from Man City, but it is possible that there is a clause relating to the transfer fee and the outstanding case involving Barton's City colleague. If that clause exists, and if it returns part or all of the fee to Newcastle if Barton is jailed for that (alleged) assault... then clearly the club should wait until that trial next month before taking any further action. If, on the other hand there is nothing to be gained by virtue of the transfer contract, then Newcastle should act in a purely commercial way now - protecting their own financial interests in whatever way they can. Barton's conviction was for a violent assault, and his victims deserve our sympathy. Equally, Newcastle made a significant investment in bringing him here, and we are the financial victims of his actions. We should do whatever is necessary to mitigate those losses.

Posted by: Brian Siller  | May 21, 2008 2:31 PM

Karl - Fenham Hustler wrote...

Left a comment on Lee's blog, so i shant portray myself as a record that has the needle bouncing in the same spot.. But if i was Barton (with whom i have sympathy, but more because of being put in his shoe's; or boot's as it were) i'd take my wages that i'd got whilst inside, which is what, say a 3.5 month sentence at £60,000 a week = £840,000 and make a hellishly large contribution to charities as well as sports in the community, which will stop more of our own lads following down his path.. Lets be honest we've got some talented little charvers here in newcastle, and i'd put my money on any of them as having done something as bad if not worse out of sheer boredom.. Im starting to ramble now cause i had a pint or 4 on my dinner, then proceded to smash my bosses teeth and straddle him, although the less said about the latter the better. Hope you caught the jist of my idea though, and not just the ramblings of a half cut pro joey toon fan.

Posted by: Karl - Fenham Hustler  | May 21, 2008 3:15 PM

George Hetherington wrote...

JB doesn't know how lucky he is to get only 6 months. I had a friend who was given three months for throwing one punch, after someone threw a drink over him. The CCTV cameras could not identify the victim, the alleged victim could not identify his attacker. He did not have flash lawyers nor was he a famous footballer just a lad with a record. The magistrate said she was making an example of him. JB should have had a much longer sentence but of course this may well follow when he appears on other charges. The club should get rid of him as an example to other members of the squad, including the youngsters, and as an example to the young fans who support the club. I would rather we lost money than decency.

Note From Luke
I think that seems to be the general view among Newcastle fans at the moment.

Posted by: George Hetherington  | May 21, 2008 6:12 PM

Charles wrote...

Once again, I want to call upon the supporters to 'support' not 'support-sacking'.

I mean, what happened here? Is this a blog for sacking comments and people who got fed up because of a few punches. Sure, Barton got punches that is comparable to the kick of a mule but then again, whether or not he's the victim or victimizer, who knows. All we know is a filling got lost from someone's jaw, a man got severely done and another pleaded guilty for punching a lad without stating what provoked the 'alcoholic' attack in the first place. I mean, If you want to punch a guy, you'd do it because he did something first, not for the fun of it.

Personally, Barton is not to be excused to brawling and I do agree that he should be jailed, but if he comes out with a change then its good enough for me. We live to forgive, and forgive we shall until the mistake is repeated on purpose and redemption is impossible.

Now dont go away and tell every Newcastle United fans that Joey deserved it because he's just another man in the 'Hall of infamy' and definitely not top dog for this. He still have to strip Keane off the title.

That's what you get for drinking in large quantities and it also justify why I never drank the mind blurring, brain squeezing drink from hell called 'alcohol'.

Until next time he punches another to the ground, I forgive him and I wished that the Newcastle supporters to show some sincerity and not self-consumption on Barton and bid his anger farewell but welcome his redeemed soul...as long as he keeps that fist away.

Note From Luke
I'm a little baffled by all this Charles. Forgiveness is one thing, but no other employer would continue to pay him £66,000 a week while he's in jail so why should Newcastle United? As for fed up because of a few punches! Well, how about 20 to the head, oh and smashing a 16-year-old's front teeth. Imagine if that 16-year-old was a couple of years younger! You can't keep blaming your temper on your demons, upbringing, drinking etc etc. It's about time he took responsibility for his actions and if that means he loses his job then so be it.

Posted by: Charles  | May 22, 2008 1:23 AM

halfmanhalfkeebab wrote...

The bottom line is that any average bloke in the street who was convicted of an assault such as this could not reasonably expect their employers to hold their job open for them pending their release AND pay them wages whilst they served their time. So why should a footballer be any different? In addition, I suspect that Barton may be in line for a further stretch at Her Majesty's pleasure if he is found guilty next month in respect of his alleged assault on Man City team mate Dabo. In that case, he is charged with an offence which carries a maximum sentence of 5 years so where will that leave him? Unavailable for a few years I suspect. NUFC have no real option but to kick him out and not be seen to be condoning this type of yobbish behaviour. Too much money, not enough brains! Sadly, the epitome of the modern footballer.

Posted by: halfmanhalfkeebab  | May 22, 2008 8:31 AM

Tab wrote...

Would it be different if it had have been our sons or brothers he had done this to?.

Posted by: Tab  | May 22, 2008 9:09 AM

Paul wrote...

I was always sceptical about his signing but I thought, no, give him a chance.

The truth is he is an abassador for the football club, my football club, and I thought his past could be behind him I would not judge him unless he did something while working for Newcastle United.

Well he did something alright, what a prat. I did think that any individual could be coached and supported but he has not stopped for one second, from what I can gather, to think about the fans, club, the people who gave him another chance, the victim or more importantly, what an incredibly privlidged position he is/was in.

If none of the above meant enough for him not to go to Maccies, not to get plastered, not to start fighting, etc then he does not hold the club or the fans in high enough regard in my opinion.

Shame because he was improving and the fans were beginning to be impressed, he can go for me now. But what the club decides will be what the club decides.

Posted by: Paul  | May 22, 2008 10:03 AM

bobby wrote...

I think we would all like a club (ours or some one else's) to one day make a stand over something like this and say we're not having it.

Will it happen? No, because footballl is now just a business and he is worth more under contract to us than if we bladdered him and kept hold of his registration.

The PR push will start when he gets out, the I've let the fans down pieces in the paper, pictured doing his charidee work for the SSN cameras.

Remember vicious is shouting at a football match.

Posted by: bobby  | May 22, 2008 11:06 AM

Little Lord Fauntleroy wrote...

Barton has to be sacked.... Simple as that

Posted by: Little Lord Fauntleroy  | May 22, 2008 11:20 AM

Duncan wrote...

NUFC knew the type of player & character they were buying. It was a risk for those that supported the purchase, and must now deal with the consequences. I'm no sports guru, lawyer or chairman but given his track record surely there are clauses in his contract that would prevent him from receiving wages. It would be obscene & morally unjust for JB to pick up £1m from being in prison. No other profession would allow it & most would have their employment terminated for gross misconduct, but football is a strange & complicated affair and therein lies the problem for the supporters. 'We' don't really know the exact complications involved but I'd personally get rid asap whatever the cost implications.

Note From Luke
You're right Duncan. Since when has football been the real world!

Posted by: Duncan  | May 22, 2008 11:33 AM

Nick wrote...

Hi Luke,

Surely the club came to some arrangement that they would not have to pay Barton his salary if he ended up in jail, as they already knew about the ‘Dabo case’ before signing him.

I think your analogy of what if it was someone’s son, daughter or what ever was good and I believe his behaviour is nothing short of disgusting. When I hear these stories from nights out involving anyone from the public it really does repulses me.

BUT this is the crazy world of football, there doesn’t seem to be many morals floating around especially for the top players. Even though he had a poor start I don’t believe we can sign many better midfielders this summer.

My gut feel from a football point of view is to give him one last chance at the club, do we really want to see him playing well for another team?

We know he is talented and maybe just maybe with age he may mature and become a better human being.

Note From Luke
Apparently, one of the reasons he signed for Newcastle was they didn;t insist on a get-out-clause in relation to the Dabo case. I've got a feeling the club will try and ride the storm out, say nothing for a while and then hope there isn't too much opposition when he comes out and starts training with the club again. Writing off £5.8m doesn't make sense from a business point of view, but it will still be interesting to see if they are willing to make a moral stand.

Posted by: Nick  | May 22, 2008 12:49 PM

Sue wrote...

Thanks for this Luke. Good to read a local journo coming out with what he believes instead of waiting to see what the club's party line might be. I wouldn't have a job to come out to if I was banged up for 6 months. If this was just a drunken fight, or even a first offence Ok. But it shows a pattern of behaviour and was a severe & vicious attack. Sam Allardyce & NUFC gave him a chance & this is how he repaid them. He has to go, it would be good to think he can change, but not here. How far would the club's reputation fall if he comes back & something upsets him again & something similar happens?

Note From Luke
Precisely Sue. How many chances do you give someone?!

Posted by: Sue  | May 22, 2008 1:05 PM

Frosty wrote...

Well?............
Up until the everton game im sure i was in the majority of fans who were looking forward to next season under keegan and a exciting summer spending spree in the last month all this has been dampend, firstly viduka being out for 6 months so he will miss all pre season and be even less fit than he is now and to add on top of that joey barton being jailed we all knew he would have to go down for the incidents he commited but we cant just let a 6mill player leave on a free espcially when money is appraently so tight who wud that leave us with in midfield geremi butt duff milner? all 4 in my opinion arnt good enough ant havent got the best years ahead of them i think unfortunatly in this case newcastle united can do nothing else than give him another chance and hope the gambles pays off but again like viduka he misses the crucial pre season which he did last year as all footballers are aware is vital to having and performing well all season. one good thing to come from this it might just spark ashley into releasing some much needed funds!!!

Posted by: Frosty  | May 22, 2008 1:17 PM

M. Green wrote...

Of course sacking Barton will mean paying £10 million to buy a new player of his quality.
Barton's high wages were inflated because of the cheap transfer fee that we paid for him, which in the circumstances has worked to our advantage if we do sack him.

As for not paying his wages while he was in prison, unless he gets further prison time next month, he will probably be back for the start of the season. Unlike Cantona who missed a whole season at Man Utd's expense.

Also had we sacked Dyer a few year back for his on the pitch fight with Bowyer we would have threw away his 6 million pound transfer to West Ham.

Maybe we could re-negotiate his contract with half his current wages, else threaten to sack him and to put his registration in the NUFC safe for a few year. If he's truly contrite he may accept a pay cut.

Either way nothing will be decided until the Dabo trial is over next month

Posted by: M. Green  | May 22, 2008 1:41 PM

Bella wrote...

I think that I am one of the few people that hold the belief that deep down inside Joey Barton is just a lost soul that needs help and that we as fans, shouldn't leave him. Granted what he did was wrong and he probably deserves to be in prison, he does not deserve to have people drop him. When he gets out later this summer, he will need people to be there for him not slap him in the face and tell him what a thug loser he is.

If people, namely clubs, continue to give up on him, he will be as lost as he is right now. Keegan has to be there for him and give him hope, not add to his problems. Joey is not stupid, no matter what people say. He knows what he did was wrong, he manned up to it, don't fault him for that. Not all is lost for him so don't make him think that it is. I for one will continue to support him while he is in prison and if that makes me one of the few than so be it. I will be here for him, even if 95% of the population in the UK won't be.

Note From Luke
Thank goodness for a bit of human kindness Bella. I don't agree with you as such, but an interesting point nonetheless.

Posted by: Bella  | May 22, 2008 2:40 PM

George Hetherington wrote...

I agree with Bella that JB is a lost soul.............but that does not mean that he should not pay for whay he has done. As I said ealier he has gor off lightly with only 6 months (probably reduced to 3 months to allow them to have space for more convictions) Too many are thinking of the cost of losing him rather than the loss of integrity that the club will suffer by keeping him. If he is tht good then let someone else buy him if they want to take the chance. We gave him a chance and he ignored it. Anyone addicted to alcohol is a 'lost soul' yes he needs treatment to go along with his punishment. I am sure the accountants will make sure that we do not lose much by getting rid of him the finances are perhaps not a simple as some state. Tax rebates etc!!

Posted by: George Hetherington  | May 22, 2008 6:18 PM

Sy wrote...

Quite a topic, Luke.

I agree with you and a few others, while at the same time being baffled by a few comments.

I'll keep my summary simple:

1) If £66,000 a week and a move to a bigger club wasn't enough incentive to keep him out of trouble, what exactly will be in the future?

2) Giving him a £66,000 a week contract in the first place was stupid, he hasn't been worth that at his very best, let alone during his spell here.

3) The one person I feel sorry for most of all is Mike Ashley, who now has to again put his hand in his pocket to fix yet another NUFC mess which wasn't his doing by sacking Barton and funding a replacement... - his only alternative being to put his hand in his pocket and pay a prisoner £66,000 a week, which can't exactly go along with his business principles.

I honestly don't know what the club will decide, but at the very least his contract should be torn up and replaced with a new one on a much lower salary with clauses to handle this in the future.

Frankly I'd be very happy to see him replaced by a player who is proven to be worth that sort of wage, but I'm not sure the club will go down this route.

The bottom line is that the club comes first. That includes finances, responsibility and reputation. What doesn't come first is a player on his 3rd or 4th 'chance' within a couple of years.

Note From Luke
I think what is clear Sy is that the majority of fans would like to see the club take a moral stance rather than a purely business one, no matter how hard that is. As I've said before, ultimately, a lot will depend on what happens in the Dabo trial. If he's found guilty in that one he'll be kicked out. Not-guilty and I reckon the club will take him back.

Posted by: Sy  | May 22, 2008 11:21 PM

Richard wrote...

I can not believe some people on here are defending Barton for what are obviously selfish reasons, that being he's a good footballer and NUFC may lose some money. 'Give him a chance!' 'He has a problem!' 'It's the demon drink!' How many chances should he be given? It's not as if this is the first thing he's done! He certainly wasn't drunk when he assaulted a team mate and there is at least one person on here giving him credit for owning up??? He had no choice but to plead guilty the evidence was overwhelming and pleading guilty reduced his sentence do you honestly think he would have 'fessed up' if there was no CCTV footage or it had been poor.
Wake up people this man committed assault, no he didn't throw just one punch he hit someone to the gound then repeatedly punched them and to cap it all later broke a 16 year olds teeth. Big man! Stop feeling sorry for him he is already a millionaire and if he has problems he needs to sort them out himself he isn't a child and it's not as if these things have just crept up on him. NUFC have to take some moral hich ground here and try and gain some lost credibility, he should be sacked because believe me there wil be a clause in his contract. If they so wish they could sue him for breach of contract and try and recoup some money but money should not be the main thing here NUFC showing they are a moral and decent club should be.
If when he is released Barton wants to continue his football career that is up to him and a moral decision for the club that signs him but I don't know of any employer that would or should still employ and pay the wages of someone found guilty and sent to prison for assault, I know mine won't

Posted by: Richard  | May 23, 2008 12:15 PM

The colonel wrote...

Generally speaking a criminal conviction for assault and a subsequent custodial sentence would constitute gross misconduct and destroy the mutual trust and confidence of an employment relationship, justifying the termination of Mr Barton's contract at common law. Whatever his problems are, JB has had ample opportunity and resources to acquire the necessary therapy or counselling and has failed to do this. His behaviour is an insult to the hard-working, law abiding toon fans who pay his astronomical wages. He is only an ok footballer so let's not get carried away with his value to the team. We haven't missed Dyer, Bellamy or Brambles antics have we? Sack him immediately.

Posted by: The colonel  | May 23, 2008 12:42 PM

zulu wrote...

Hi Luke, great article which has proved that journo`s have a conscious.
Your comment to Sy was interesting - please explain why if convicted of assaulting his team-mate is worse that beating up two innocents in a shop!
If Martins went to Nigeria and was late catching his plan for pre-season training, his wages would be docked, I`m sure you can follow my drift. No work, no pay.
We took a chance on Barton, history has shown he`s a waster - and I for one would not want to pay to watch him again, and Mike Ashley must understand the fans feelings regardless of the financial costs. But you say if he`s found not guilty let him back in, my thought is you should then add "till the next time" the drink did not take over him on the training pitch, and it will happen again when someone upsets him, regardless of where or what he is doing he needs 'anger mgt'.

Note From Luke
It's not worse Zulu, it's just if he's found guilty in Dabo trial he's likely to get another prison sentence and that will mean he is in prison and unavailable to Newcastle for even longer.

Posted by: zulu  | May 23, 2008 12:45 PM

Old man wrote...

Barton did wrong we all agree andPunishment was deserved. I do believe the problem was his upbringings,his family problems, and drinking and he has admitted being a alcoholic. You say sack him, kick him out. Have you never head of a reformed character.Someone doomed for scrap heap but turned themselves round. In all works of live some get the chance some dont.When he comes out he should talk to the younger players of his mistakes in life.IT CAN BE DONE

Posted by: Old man  | May 23, 2008 3:19 PM

Phil wrote...

We should "from a business point of view, after he gets out of jail, "pretend that Barton is okay" (like Man City did), and then hope some other club is as stupid as we were, and will sign him for 5.8 million pounds. Hopefully he will stay out of jail long enough for us to get rid of him. Is this NUFC we're talking about??

Posted by: Phil  | May 25, 2008 2:13 AM

Ivor CLark wrote...

No excuses. Barton HAS TO GO. He has had his chances. Why oh why do NUFC keep getting embroiled with these kind of characters?.

KK may have written a glowing character report, but the damage had beendone long before that. Did anyone see JB interviewed by Gabby Logan?....sad sad story....BUT why should Toon punters pay for his misdemeanours?.

Terminate his contract and seek some compensation from his agent re transfer fee. Gee whizz if I had done something like this in my job I would not be given a second or third or fourth chance. Get rid of him, set the example to others - racism is not acceptable in football, and neither should be criminal convictions like these.......

Posted by: Ivor CLark  | June 2, 2008 10:21 AM

Anonymous wrote...

Hi Luke,

Re: Ivor Clark`s comments - he has an excellent point.

Sue his agent,they are quick to take a cut in the first place.

What`s the news on the Man City case anyway ??

Note From Luke
It hasn't gone to trial yet. I think it's next week.

Posted by: Anonymous  | June 3, 2008 10:35 AM

zulu wrote...

Hi Luke, what`s the news from Manchester ?
Where are the story`s coming from that we will have him back at £30k per week !! Is there any truth at all ?
Keep up the good incesive articles.

Note From Luke
It's true that one of the options the club is looking at is to cut his wages in half. However, a final decision isn't going to be made until after the Dabo trial which starts on June 30.

Posted by: zulu  | June 10, 2008 1:00 PM

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