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Sunderland Have Still Done Better Than Newcastle...

Posted by Luke on August 22, 2008 12:06 PM | 

I seemed to cause a bit of a furore - deliberately, me? Never - before heading off on my travels last month by suggesting Sunderland supporters should be happier with their club's efforts in the transfer market than Newcastle's.

Some Newcastle fans argued they wouldn't touch any of Sunderland's new arrivals with a stick covered in dog poo, although I hope that hasn't given anyone any ideas for the derby match in October!

But my point was, whether Newcastle wanted to sign the likes of Pascal Chimbonda or El-Hadji Diouf or not, Roy Keane has had more joy in the quest to improve his squad than his Newcastle counterpart Kevin Keegan.

Whatever way you look at it, Sunderland's first team is a lot stronger than it was three months ago. Players like Chimbonda and Diouf, along with Teemu Tainio, Steed Malbranque, Djibril Cisse and David Healy have all added proven Premier League experience.

While, with the possible exception of Cisse and Malbranque, they are not players who would have strengthened Newcastle's first team, they are good signings for the Black Cats and that's Keane's only consideration.

In contrast, while Jonas Gutierrez, Danny Guthrie and Fabricio Coloccini have added some quality to Keegan's side, three new players wasn't going to be enough at the end of last season and it certainly isn't enough now when you consider Emre, Abdoulaye Faye, Peter Ramage, Stephen Carr and David Rozehnal have all departed.

Newcastle's squad, on paper, is still stronger than Sunderland's, but the gap is closing and if Newcastle do not sign at least another two players - preferably a left-back and a centre-back - before the close of the transfer window they will be a prisoner to their fate in terms of suspensions and injuries.

Four or five injuries and suspensions at the same time will put a major strain on resources and suddenly Newcastle's side looks vulnerable. Given the injury history of key players like Mark Viduka and Michael Owen, it's a risky situation.

I simply can't see why Faye has been allowed to move to Stoke, although there is some suggestion of a falling out with Keegan behind the scenes. If either Steven Taylor or Coloccini picks up an injury, that leaves Keegan with the untried, Sebastien Bassong, the alarmingly slow Cacapa and David Edgar as cover. I actually thought Faye had a decent first season at St James's Park.

And what happens if Alan Smith joins Everton, something I fully expect him to do. I've never been a fan of Smith - midfielder who can't tackle and a striker who can't score goals - but he could have still been a useful squad player. If he departs, surely Keegan must have someone lined up to replace him?! And what has happened to that "wow" signing Mike Ashley wittered on about to the club's corporate sponsors?

As for the Black Cats, Keane's main problem now is trimming the excess weight from his squad. The Irishman has spent a fortune at the Stadium of Light and the squad is full of players who are good in the Championship, but inadequate for a club which intends to finish in the top half of the table this season. Economically he must usher a few of them towards the exit door.

Keane did well to keep Sunderland up last season, but he insists he wants to take the club on to the next level this season. When you make statements like that and you splash the cash around as he has done in the last two years, you have to deliver. The squad looks better than 12 months ago, but it's up to Keane to make sure they prove it out on the pitch.

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Comments (22)

Ginkoh wrote...

Not even 1 player from Sunderland can make impact at Newcastle.( may be just only 1 "Jones" ) Newcastle fans will very upset if they sign Diouf, Cisse, Chimbonda.

So I don't think Sunderland done better than Newcastle this summer (sure that windows still not close ). If you mean quantity YES Sunderland are but quality I doubt !

Posted by: Ginkoh  | August 22, 2008 1:37 PM

Little Lord Fauntleroy wrote...

Once again Tyneside is racked with hysteria because we got 1 point in our first game. That has suggested to fans, me included, that we'll do well this season and maybe break into the top (dare I say) 6?

Sunderland have signed better quality players than they had last year. I still think 12th or 13th is a realistic target, but a realistic target for Newcastle has to be 8th, so let them dream.

I think most Newcastle fans have risen to the bait because sunderland fans genuinely think they're going to be better than us this season..... Nice to see that the summer deluges we've suffered while our genial host was in tropical climes haven't dampened those Muppets down the road's stupidity!!!

Posted by: Little Lord Fauntleroy  | August 22, 2008 2:40 PM

kermit wrote...

Sunderlands new signings are a definite improvement to the team because their squad had too many moderate players but im not quite sure if newcastles signings will improve their squad.The answer to which team comes out best could depend on which manager performs best.Keane is improving year on whereas Keegan's best days have been long gone.Both teams in the bottom 8

Note From Luke
I'm going to go for both teams in the top ten, but I'm in an optimistic mood today!

Posted by: kermit  | August 22, 2008 7:12 PM

Mal wrote...

Luke - Regarding the newcastle departures you seem to miss the point that this doesn't weaken the squad at all. Emre, ramage and carr started only 18 games between them and i don't think rozenhal played at at all under keegan -so £6 or £7million in and probably a similar amount off the wage bill looks sound business sense to me. Like most supporters I was surprised by the faye departure but we don't know everything that goes on behind the scenes and sometimes you just have to trust your manager. I'm pretty certain there will be another 2 or 3 in before the deadline which will mean a vast improvement in our squad overall. Roy keane is doing a great job at sunderland and i think he realised that relegation beckoned unless he took drastic action. He has signed some sound players but they don't look anything like the quality of the newcastle signings and, as you say, he now faces the task of shipping a few out. Injuries will be an even bigger problem for him than kk as overall there are still a few weaknesses in certain positions and jones will be a big miss until he is fit again.

Note From Luke
I've just written in my match report for Monday's paper that this is going to be a massive week for the Mike Ashley regime. Despite the 1-0 win over Bolton, the squad is short in numbers as the manager himself has admitted. I dread to think who will be asked to play up front against Coventry on Tuesday night as both Damien Duff and Oba Martins have picked up injuries. If Newcastle don't sign at least two players this week they are going to struggle unless they enjoy some wonderful luck on the injury front, something they never have done before during my time covering them.
As for Sunderland, the new signings are already working for him, but Keane must cut the wage bill or they are going to be in serious trouble financially.

Posted by: Mal  | August 22, 2008 7:31 PM

M. Sebastian T. wrote...

Seems the rubbish spewed about Sunderland by some supposed supporters of Newcastle will never cease. Apart from being rubbish it is stupid in the extreme and why many people in the rest of the country thing of Toon fans as idiots.

Posted by: M. Sebastian T.  | August 22, 2008 7:43 PM

Ross Cumming wrote...

Roy Keane has acted like a kid in a sweet shop, anyone at all who may be available is linked to Sunderland these days purely because he is spending silly sums of money on average Premier League players.

The difference with KK is, with the pressure from above, he is restricted to signing truly high calibre players who have a proven pedigree with big clubs. Granted Guthrie had a decent season on loan at Bolton, but did come through the ranks at Liverpool. Combine Coloccini and Gutierrez' international pedigree with one of the leading lights of internation football in Argentina, and that is the difference.

Hopefully we can pull another couple of rabbits out of the hat, maybe a Saviola or even a Riquelme or someone of similar stature.

Defensively we need to be careful as well, but I see no reason why we can't pick up Wayne Bridge and Anton Ferdinand, both good players and still relatively young, then a couple of superstars and top 6 here we come!

Posted by: Ross Cumming  | August 23, 2008 12:36 AM

andy wrote...

I do not understand how your post creates any consternation - as opposed to being a statement of fact.

The reality is simple - Newcastle finished a handful of points above sunderland last year and it is self evident that sunderland have improved their squad to a greater degree than newcastle.

As for the relative positions of the squads i believe a jones/ cisse starting line up will start more games than owen/viduka. I believe oba could be the pick of the bunch but i dont see KK as being of the same opinion.

Of the two squads midfielders i would see malbranque as the pick of the bunch.

Both have top keepers (including back up).

As for defence a lot depends on who is signed on either side of the divide pre deadline day.

a lot depends on how the two argentinians settle for nufc but there is always a risk factor on foreign imports - although initial viewings look good.

The fact that it is even open for debate who will finish 'top dog' means that it is a statement of the obvious that nufc have gone backwards (and safc forwards) over the last couple of years.

You get the feeling there is momentum at safc - which i do not sense from Ashley.

Posted by: andy  | August 23, 2008 11:24 AM

Restless Native wrote...

Luke, could you have tried any more desperately to wriggle out of what you wrote in your last ludicrously stupid blog posting? Of course it caused a reaction; it was an ill-considered, ill-informed, idiotic piece of journalism. Coloccini, Guiterrez and maybe even Guthrie would all stroll in to the Sunderland side. Not a single Sunderland player - including ANY of their new signings - would improve Newcastle's first eleven. It's a bit weak on your part to say this now - in the face of a deluge of such opinions - when you were claiming otherwise only a few short weeks ago. Maybe you've actually seen Guiterrez and Coloccini play now? Keegan's got his faults, but having a good eye for a player isn't one of them. Keane's still got a lot to prove in that regard.

Note From Luke
I think may be you should read the original entry again because you seem to have got a little hot under the collar about it. I was always talking relatively and I still stand by what I've said, hence why I underlined my argument with a second post saying the same thing, but perhaps clarifying a few things. Mr Restless, are you happy to go into the season with the squad Keegan currently has to choose from? I would guess not, but I could be wrong. To me, Newcastle still need at least three players.
However, I think most Sunderland fans would be pretty content with what Keane has assembled - particularly as he appears to have also lined up a couple of new defenders who should be arriving this week.
Sunderland are buying from a different position than Newcastle and of course Gutierrez and Coloccini would walk into Sunderland side, but as I keep saying, these things are relative. If you think that's idotic journalism then so be it!

Posted by: Restless Native  | August 23, 2008 2:20 PM

William Gee wrote...

I have to agree with Luke,
Roy Keane has bulked up his squad with proven Premiership players, Chimbonda was much sought after a while ago, till his spat with management when his commitment came into question, nothing that a good manager couldn’t sort out, ditto Diouf (who I think is a repulsive character, but he can play and turn a game around)
I have always been a fan of the much underrated Malbranque and put it this way: who would you have Chimbonda or Carr, Diouf or Barton, or Malbranque or Emre?
Cisse and Healy would provide much needed cover and competition for our fragile strikers particularly Mark Viduca who is turning out to be a Rich man’s Louis Saha!
Keep the Faith
Regards William

Posted by: William Gee  | August 23, 2008 9:34 PM

True Mag wrote...

Blindly arguing that Sunderland have achieved nothing this summer is rather ridiculous if you ask me. Look, I don't like the Mackems anymore than any other NUFC fan, but Keane has done well in the transfer market. His squad looks much stronger than last season and that was his aim. As for Newcastle's, the new signings look pretty good so far - particularly Gutierrez - but is the squad much stronger than the one which finished in the bottom half of the table last season? I don't think it is because any sort of injuries or suspensions in defence or the centre of midfield will leave us looking hopelessly weak.

Posted by: True Mag  | August 24, 2008 5:32 PM

Stephen wrote...

It's a bit rich from the mags to come on here and claim that NO Sunderland player would make their team. Newcastle tried and failed to sign Malbranque and Chimbonda in the past. Cisse has a champions league winners medal and is a French international. Gutierez and Coloccini have had 2 good games but foreign imports need to prove they can play in the cold and the wet of mid winter. Maybe they can, what if they can't?
If you think there aren't many would get into your team from Sunderland's squad take a look at it from the other side. The only players I'd consider taking would be Beye, although I think Chimbonda would keep him out, Given but I think Gordon will come good this year, Butt definately, Martins But he'd be rotating for a start with Cisse and Jones (when fit). So just the one definate. Newcastle's biggest problem for me is not the starting 11 but who comes in when the injuries strike which they will.

Posted by: Stephen  | August 25, 2008 4:10 AM

Paul Patterson wrote...

I couldn’t care less, who the hell Sunderland have signed, I’m more interested what Newcastle United sign, that’s what will make Newcastle’s season or not.

I have agreed with every departure, Emre and Carr were time wasters, despite liking the ‘little turk’ he was injured FAR too often and Carr should never have been signed in the first place. Rozehnal was a liability. Only Faye was a decent player, but we made a profit and he wasn’t THAT good. If these were followed by Smith and Ameobi out the door, I’d consider it the best pre-season for sales we’ve had in years.

My only worry, is what we have left- like it or not Owen has a tendency to get injured a lot and Viduka suffers from a more alarming strain of the injury disease. Would you pin your hopes on him to play games this season? I wouldn’t. Then we have the goalless wonders Smith and Ameobi- if we had to rely on them for more than five minutes I’d just chuck in the relegation towel and be done with it. Ones clumsy, has no skill and goes nowhere and the other is Shola Ameobi- If they have to play for any reason - PANIC!!

Owen and Martins (One currently injured by the way) are a great idea in principle as they can both score headers, which was a surprise to me and they have pace (Martins) and a clinical ability to finish one chance in three (Owen) so they would be who I’d start with up top, despite their lack of physical presence.

WE need to sign another striker, Dean Ashton would have been brilliant (For god’s sake I’ve been saying that for five seasons) but he seems settled at West Ham, I wanted Santa Cruz, but he’s just signed a new contract at Blackburn, I like Morten Gamst Pedersen, but he’s another flair player with lightweight tendencies. Over to Kevin for the burly striker search then.

Here’s a shock one- how about Emile Heskey for a season or two? Not as crazy as it sounds- he had his most prolific season with Owen and he’s strong and has a shot on him- It would certainly be a 80% improvement on Strolla Ameobi, he’d play more games than the Aussie, what could go wrong?

I’m happy with Collocini and delighted with Guttierez, who just needed to run at Bolton a bit more. Guthrie seemed a bit like the odd man out against Bolton as he and Butt do exactly the same job. I’d have played Spiderman in there with Butt and had Milner and N’Zogbia out on the flanks, with Enrique slotting in at left back.

As I’ve now had my hissy fit with our non-attempt to sign John Arne Riise, I can now put it out of my mind (Although I’m still fuming) this is where we need a player. The reason why I liked the ex-Liverpool man so much as he was a perfect left back and he was available AND there is no bugger else.

Finally, the one area of the side we need not worry about- Goal. Shay Given can not get enough praise from me- £2.5m in 1997- well he’s now overdue a testimonial- which I bet he will get when he retires, and to think some mischievous headline writers were linking him with a swap deal for Phillipe Senderos- Tsk Tsk.

P.S- Welcome Back Luke from your marital excursions.

Paul.

Posted by: Paul Patterson  | August 25, 2008 9:22 AM

Restless Native wrote...

"There haven't been many times in recent years that Newcastle United fans have had reason to look on enviously at the events unfolding at the Stadium of Light but now could be one such occasion." Well, there's not a lot of "RELATIVITY" in that rather absolute, categorical statement from your original article, is there Luke? And I was delighted to read that Pascal Chimbonda was dropped by Keane for the second game of the season for turning up late. That would seem to sum up what most Mags thought in the first place - keep your dodgy signings Roy, we'll happily hang on to get some true quality through the doors, even if it means we're a bit light for a few months. It's the difference between short-term financial madness and long-term planning for success, and it's a very welcome change at SJP.

Posted by: Restless Native  | August 25, 2008 11:33 AM

ronnie lambert wrote...

I've sussed this out Lukey son, your lass is a mackem and you've just been on holiday with your new red and white friends. That's understandable lad, conjugles in the first month are if I remember correctly, a hundred miles an hour, and addictive. I reckon I'd turn Injun if wor lass had stopped my tap back then too. Don't worry mate, you'll drift back to normality when 'they' start getting hammered again. Even your lass will start wearing lovely black and white blouses, I've seen it all before. .....sigh....young love.

Note From Luke
Actually she's a Newcastle season ticket holder and has been ever since she was a kid, as she likes to remind anyone who asks here where she was when you were s***.
Im not sure where she stands on this particular debate mind! She probably hasn't heard of most of the players Sunderland have signed and she had to buy a programme on Saturday because she didn't know who NUFC had signed this summer!

Posted by: ronnie lambert  | August 25, 2008 1:21 PM

Keith Hutton Africa wrote...

Who has made the best signing is a very objective thing. Who has the best team and who has the most balanced and motivated team. Now that tells you something. The season is 2 games old and time will tell who finishes the highest. Keane however knows where he is going, why he wants to go there and has convinced all involved it's a good idea. It appears Gutierrez & Coliccini are inspired buys. No doubt they can play. Sunderland are far far superior to last season they have made the right buys, people who will add to the quality of the team. To think they would not get into the N'cstle team is just daft. Chibomda or Taylor surely Pascal, Cisse or fatman Viduka ( do me a favour) Malbranque or Duff ( now lets get sensible, Guthrie or Diouf no contest. Time as I have said will tell but if you don't know where your going and the driver hasn't got a license (Ashley) the chances are you won't even know your lost

Posted by: Keith Hutton Africa  | August 25, 2008 1:22 PM

Restless Native wrote...

Keith H, you want to stay out of that African sun bonny lad. It's obviously messing up your heed if you think Pascal 'the mercenary' Chimbonda is better than Steven 'bleeds black and white stripey blood' Taylor. Do me a favour. And anyone who says Ashley hasn't got a plan for Newcastle underestimates just what an astute operator he is. It make take a couple of years to get there, but we're heading in the right direction. Roy and his disco pants wearing chairman are still in survival mode, albeit that they seem to be making a good go of it. Relatively, like.

Posted by: Restless Native  | August 25, 2008 7:37 PM

dalupapa wrote...

well, sunderland may has signed players more known in the premier league yet players that may perform maybe less than 5 yers...but NU has signed quality players though not much heard about but could still contribute and play more than 5 yers...i thnk NU has aimed on a long term success compare to sunderland...GO NU!!!

Posted by: dalupapa  | August 26, 2008 8:37 AM

ronnie lambert wrote...

just teasing Luke, we missed you, you must have tied a knot to hold the Ark Royal, and the longest honeymoon on record. I've got some good knee-pads from my old building days if you need them bonney lad.

Posted by: ronnie lambert  | August 26, 2008 9:03 AM

supporter sth tyneside wrote...

luke why was my comment not included on this thread ? it was not abusive to anyone. it was not rude. it did not contain any bad language. it was critical of the mackem managers attitude toward players he brought in who now are reluctant to leave. i think i made a valid point. do i take it that you think that manager is above honest criticism ?.

Note From Luke
Sorry about that, but all the comments I've had since I got back from my honeymoon have gone up and I haven't felt the need to edit any of them so I can only assume it never came through. Feel free to send it again though if you wish, you should know I want people to express their opinions on this site more freely than some others, within reason of course!

Posted by: supporter sth tyneside  | August 26, 2008 9:32 AM

Carrot wrote...

Oh dear, oh dear... what a reaction from the barcodes! I think that says more than I ever could - but thats not going to stop me trying!

SAFC squad is now far stronger than NUFC - maybe the quality of the starting 11 isn't as high in places, but the depth of the squad covering them will more than make up for that by the end of the season. I have said it before, and will say it again - SAFC fans have been looking forward to this season, where it seems to me that certain NUFC fans disalluions are starting to become worse than ever, making them incredibly defensive or the relativity comment Luke made.

Perhaps we should all just agree that we have mid-table (at best) teams/squads and just look forward to seeing who gets the bragging rights!

Carrot!

Posted by: Carrot  | August 26, 2008 12:18 PM

Little Lord Fauntleroy wrote...

Luke, RE your point about your lass being a season ticket holder all her life at the end of Ronnie Lambert's piece.

That's not true. She only started going to Newcastle when Sunderland sacked Peter Reid!!!!

Posted by: Little Lord Fauntleroy  | August 29, 2008 1:43 PM

Billy wrote...

ross cumming (nufc fan) wrote ...
Defensively we need to be careful as well, but I see no reason why we can't pick up Wayne Bridge and Anton Ferdinand, both good players and still relatively young, then a couple of superstars and top 6 here we come!

Would that be the Anton Ferdinand Safc have just bought !!! Would he get into your team ???

Posted by: Billy  | September 2, 2008 9:25 AM

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