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Where Have The 4,000 Gone?

Posted by Luke on August 26, 2008 3:30 PM | 

Much has been made - me included - of Newcastle United's lowest Premier League crowd for almost a decade against Bolton Wanderers, but I should stress that a crowd of 47,711 is still a damn sight more than most other clubs in the top flight are able to enjoy.

Certainly, considering the fact Newcastle have been a mid-table Premier League side, at best, since Sir Bobby Robson prematurely departed four years ago thanks to the stupidity of a certain former chairman, a crowd of that size is a remarkable achievement.

However, this does not mean the alarm bells should not be ringing in the boardroom because, dare I say it, there has been a certain amount of complacency shown.

The fact remains at least 4,000 supporters did not turn up against Bolton. I can't possibly speak for all of them, but my suggestion would be that, although the economic downturn and summer holidays played a part, there is a growing ambivalence after years of under-achievement.

Couple this with the increase in season-ticket prices - unless you committed yourself to another three years - the lack of communication between the club and supporters through the media (an obvious complaint of mine!), the constant uncertainty surrounding Ashley's plans for the club because of the steady trickle (often inadequately answered by the club) of stories claiming he wants to sell and the lack of signings in the transfer market, you can see why this atmosphere has been created.

It is far too early to start saying the fans are deserting their club or that football's bubble has burst, but it is clear there are a rising number of followers who still need to be convinced the team is worth their considerable time, money and energy again this season.

I've never seen cash turnstiles in operation for a league game at SJP and let's not forget the club also had a number of other incentives running to try and get the punters in like a £10 ticket with the new silver shirt and a free pint before kick-off.

The club were pushing tickets frantically in the days leading up to the game and even the independent fanzine website NUFC.com was used to try and persuade more people to part with their wedge. There is obviously concern within the United hierarchy about the situation.

It isn't a crisis yet, by any means, and it is disappointing to see some people in the media reporting it as such, but it is an interesting issue nonetheless and one which deserves to be highlighted because it is so unusual to see at SJP.

As Kevin Keegan admitted after the 1-0 win, it is up to him and the players to persuade people to return with results and performances on the pitch, but a couple of exciting signings before the close of the transfer window next Monday might also add to the sense of optimism at the start of another campaign.

On a brighter note, Newcastle's start to the season has been encouraging. They didn't play particularly well against Bolton, but they ground out the win and that isn't something that would have happened last term.

Four points from the first two games is a good return and they will travel to Arsenal in decent spirits next weekend, presuming that is, they don't suffer another Carling Cup disaster against Coventry on Tuesday night.

It is ridiculous Newcastle have only reached one League Cup Final, back in 1976 and that clubs like Swindon and Oxford United have been to more semi-finals in that competition.

Once again, the League Cup will be seen as United's most realistic chance of silverware, but given their dubious track record - and their propensity to draw either Arsenal or Chelsea away from home in cup competitions - you wouldn't put your money on anything changing would you?

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Comments (19)

Dan wrote...

The club has 5 days to sort it out. If Ashley comes up with the goods and gives us the "wow" signing he promised us (not Michael Owens contract tho) then St James' will once again be the sellout it should be. Personally I don't know why so many people are staying away. We have a good, albeit small side, thats performing quite well though the lack of goals is a problem. We have a popular manager who lives for the fans and is finally steering the club in the right direction, and 3 new signings that have already begun to show their worth and look very promising in the season to come. Saying that it is a lot of money to part with, especially in these dark economic times but what we need is basically the Mark Viduka who will stay fit or the Alan Smith that can play football to come in, bag a handfull of goals in his first few games for this mess to be sorted out so hopefully we can get on with the season looking at the football we love, not the rows of empty seats.

Posted by: Dan  | August 26, 2008 7:38 PM

Iain Hindhaugh wrote...

Too much is being read into this slightly lower attendance. You need to take into account the paltry few hundred Bolton brought along, and more importantly the late delivery of tickets. There must be a fair number of fans who often miss the first game of the season due to family summer holidays etc. - I know I've had to do it before. Normally I would pass my ticket on to somebody else so that they could go - however this year it would have been sitting on my door mat on Friday morning.

Posted by: Iain Hindhaugh  | August 27, 2008 8:07 AM

Commulus wrote...

What’s ‘soccer banter’ Luke…is that a bit like ‘footy craic’ for southern ex-RAF officers waxing lyrical as they sift dead fly’s from foaming pints of ale through their handlebar moustaches?

Stratagem lights dimmed to a piquant ember as he waved an enchanted wand and the slowest disappearance act ensued. Where have the 25,000 gone, more like it! The waiting list evaporated along with the hopes of the fans, and in its place… disenchantment with football itself! Mediocrity and Newcastle United are not good companions.

Keegan came out with an assertion saying it was impossible to catch the top four clubs, so in effect we are all wasting our time and effort! Mr, Ashley isn’t an Abramovich, he’s obviously going through the process of making the club saleable despite his protestations to the contrary, and his bit of fun is exactly that!

The appointment of Kevin Keegan was another piece of window dressing, directly from the modus operandi of the Halls and Shepherd. He’s bought a plug which spans the gap in the time vortex, a camouflaged subterfuge which Keegan unfortunately seems to be acting out for his soccer circus!

Any hopes of a revival under the guidance of our billionaire owner, have evaporated as he talks that peculiar language of the last regime. For ‘Trophy signing’ see ‘Wow signing’! Now you don’t hear the top clubs coming out with that bluff, but to actually spell it out in great neon flashing letters that no one wants to see, and then coerce the fans with artificially generated atmospheres and Opera singers…I’ve said it before that bread and circuses are no substitute for a sporting occasion. And we wonder why a cloud of disillusionment envelopes Gallowgate.

We waited in vain for a mission statement from the owner, and it was there all the time….he wants to have a ‘bit of fun’…that’s the mission statement!….well Mr Ashley, I have news for you…football is not fun, it’s a horrible torture which rips the soul in two, a clutching demonic fiend clinging to your life and feeding on your captivated psyche…things could be worse I suppose, it could be raining!

Note From Luke
Are you refering to the Journal and Chronicle's new banter sites for fans. Bascially they're supposed to be a combination of fans and journalists spouting off with a bit of news thrown in as well, but effectively they are just links to stories and blogs about NUFC!
As for Mike Ashley, I'm told Kevin Keegan appeared to be extremely disheartened at Coventry last night after a meeting in a "broom cupboard" with managing director Derek Llambias. Whatever KK was told, it didn't go down well - perhaps it was James Milner's transfer request, perhaps it was the even more alarming news that there aren't going to be anymore new signing and that this threadbare squad is going to have to get through to Christmas! Whatever it was, there is something strange going on and the manager isnn't happy about it. Perhaps we are about to see the end of Mike Ashley's honeymoon period?

Posted by: Commulus  | August 27, 2008 9:50 AM

Keith Hutton Africa wrote...

Is anyone taking note of this, no excuses Why after so long is the stadium not full. Because Ashley makes money and keeps it. He has no intention of investing in NU, he will sell and buy in new, if KK wants new players he will have to sacrifice Milner & Smith. I have said it before Ashley has no business plan in place other than he will sell at a good profit, the fans can see this so why should they line his pockets

Posted by: Keith Hutton Africa  | August 27, 2008 10:49 AM

RAY WILSON wrote...

Hi Luke Well said and very much in tandem with my own thoughts and many others. I have felt for a long time the clubs publicity dept is awful and the fans are more in the dark than ever -certainly regarding the issues you have raised-This appears to part of the Mike Astley regime and many of his other ventures have been criticised in the city for walking the same path. When will the London headquarters understand that you cannot operate a club the size of Newcastle at arms length and that if you do not communicate with your customers and they are unsure of what is going on then even the most passionate of people eventually give up and develop other interests. We have a great manager and some good players -but the team certainly needs more depth and at least 3 more quality signings -also the constant speculation regarding the clubs future is of no help. I do think it was a bad financial decision to increase prices when the financial market is heading for depression and supporters will be having more to worry about than there club i.e. mortgage,employment,rising cost of living. Human nature been what it is the players will always go where the money is-that is what made Shearer such a special person-ok he got paid a lot -but probably could have got much more elsewhere.Big Al certainly gave value for money-In conclusion we need a club who can communicate effectively and some signings to show intent and support for KK- I have said many times he is the best asset the club could have but unless he gets more support it is not going to work in terms of attendances,trophys,and the future improvement in the clubs image.

Note From Luke
As I've just mentioned at the end of another comment, the fact is KK isn't happy about the way things are progressing - either in terms of player recruitment or retention in the case of Michael Owen and James Milner - and he is struggling to bite his tongue. Unless there are at least two new signings (three is Milner is allowed to leave which I think is a decent bit of business at £10m, as long as someone is brought in to replace him) and good news about Owen, I think we are about to see the end of Mike Ashley's honeymoon period.

Posted by: RAY WILSON  | August 27, 2008 11:32 AM

Ken wrote...

At The end of last season a lot of people were at the end and gave it one last shot. Keegan came back and optimism shot through the roof, but then it all starts to go backwards. Keegan not responsible for transfers?Keegan with his heart on his sleeve has a demenour that tells us its not a happy ship. Wise, Jimenez no credability in the eyes of the supporters. Ashley not committed either by actions or words, and Sunderland setting out as if they mean business. It is no wonder people have given up the ghost. I have renewed but am regretting the decision. Kevin needs players all over the park. their is no creativity in midfield our old chairman with far less financial muscle would have been in for Arshavin. We are nowhere to be seen when well known players are on the move. I think the club is teetering on a precipise similar to the one sunderland fell into with Peter Reid. The owners can either get their act together and back Keegan properly or the gate will fall well below 47000. It is bordering on a tragedy that Kevin has returned without the support that should have been forthcoming.

Posted by: Ken  | August 27, 2008 12:03 PM

Keith Hutton Africa wrote...

Just had a thought,I think the 4000 are Jarrow Hebburn & Shields lads that have finally seen the Light (fiat lux) and gone to the stadium of light. Sunderland have made some great signings and appear to have money available which they are prepared to spend They have a fantastic young manager who has sold his vision to some great players and convinced them they will play international football if they join him and just maybe the affect is rubbing off. KK & Ashley are letting the grass grow under their feet while the fans have decided to move on, this is a crisis and needs to be dealt with before they go into freefall, Leeds springs to mind

Posted by: Keith Hutton Africa  | August 27, 2008 3:08 PM

JC wrote...

Luke, I agree with your comment on Milner. If I were Ashley and Keegan, I'd wear one of those bandit masks when I took Villas money. No end product and little pace....hard graft is not enough!HOWEVER, this close season has been a categoric disaster. Yes I like the look of the new arrivals and yes the team looked good on Tuesday, but can anyone else see new players arriving in the next 5 days?? Lets face it, if the Coloccini saga is anything to go by (by my memory, that deal took around three weeks to complete) we have no chance of adding to the squad. The fans demand and deserve answers. What has gone SO DRASTICALLY WRONG. Wise and Jimenez and Vettere should be holding a press conference or a Q&A at Shearers bar. Personally I hate them all, and fat Mike Ashley is slowly joining them. This aint Sports Direct Mike! Get your wallet out!

Posted by: JC  | August 28, 2008 9:22 AM

kenni wrote...

Ashley thinks that the geordie public are a bit nieve i can assure they are not. These PR stunts giving beer away is both patronising and an insult to our intelligence. Anyone can see getting a free pint at 2.10 means you buy extra beer at the ground for the next 45 mins to fill his pockets, i was so disgusted i am not going again until the London mafia are gone. This new breed of owners are destroying football, Ashley will not spend serious money, all the buys so far have had some kind of discount element or cheapness about them and any player who is on big wages will be depensed with. i have two predictions 1) Keegan will walk, he has too much pride to a part of this big con, 2) Wise will beinstalled as manager before xmas.

Posted by: kenni  | August 28, 2008 9:30 AM

Ivor Clark wrote...

Was this not the stay away fans protesting about the handling of Joey Barton?.....that those fans would not continue to be paying his wages after what he has done, both to the club and its supporters??. I note Barton is now the subject of further civil cases. The Milner sale is regrettable, but good money if we can get 10 mill. Its not Ashleys fault that money is tight at St James. He has actually already invested heavily to clear debts and pay off oustanding transfer fees for other players, which he inherited from the previous regime. Its in Ashleys best interests, financial and otherwise to have success on the pitch too, so can we stop all this repeated angst and speculation about what gooes on in the boardroom?. KK is a decent manager. The squad is not that bad, and early season results look ok. The signings so far have been very good, Spiderman esp, If he ends up the replacement for Milner,then Im happy with that........

Posted by: Ivor Clark  | August 28, 2008 9:55 AM

Rich wrote...


If MA is not prepared to invest further in the club then why should the fans? The money spent thus far has been from TV money not out of his pocket. Yes he spent a lot of money buying out the club but he is going to have to spend money to make money, a few more good signings and strong performances will bring the crowd back and so it will snowball, we may even get the second tier on the gallowgate! The club have relied on fan loyalty for too long, i think after years of mediocrity enough is enough for many people.

Posted by: Rich  | August 28, 2008 10:21 AM

BigAL wrote...

I do not to profess to speak on behalf of the missing fans but I can give you my reason. Let me say I have supported the team since the 70's, for several seasons I never missed a single home game, been to Wembley 5 times with the Toon and been dissillusioned many times but never enough to stop me going to St James Park. What changed? A one word answer - Barton! When Newcastle failed to sack the thug, for his appalling behaviour I was disgusted! He has been given so many prior 'second chances' I could not believe he was not sacked for gross misconduct (he would in any other profession) and to then see him pick up a reported £50K a week! - sorry but that is just wrong!

Put simply I decided I do not want to see a single penny of my hard earned cash ending up in his pocket. When he goes I will be at the next game but until then I will have to make do with watching the Toon on TV.

Incidentally 2 of my mates in the Platinum Club (also long standing fans) were similarly disgusted by NUFC's position with Barton and decided not to renew their season tickets, so I know I am not alone with this stance.

We are now seeing other repercussions with Milner. He has been treated appallingly by the Club. First we had Souness saying “I do not see me being here a long time having gone down the road of buying a team of James Milners. That is not going to keep me in a job". What sort of encouragement is that to a young player? Then farmed out on loan to Villa so that we could get Nobby back.

Milner then faced the ignominy of the eleventh hour aborted transfer to Villa. And what he do, he did not spit his dummy out - no way - he came back and put in some great performances for the club a model professional and what has been his reward?

He now he looks at Barton, the complete antipathy of a professional. Not only is Barton not punished by the club but he has been positively pampered (with helicopter journeys reportedly laid on to enable him to meat bail condition curfews). Then Barton is paid probably twice what Milner is earning! Barton has never been or ever will be half the player that Milner is now and Milner is getting better all the time.

In my view this disparity is ridiculous and sadly the failure of NUFC to dump Barton will continue to have major repercussions throughout the club.

Note From Luke
I very interesting point Al and I wonder how many more fans share these sentiments?

Posted by: BigAL  | August 28, 2008 11:29 AM

ronnie lambert wrote...

Leeds went under because they couldn't pay their massive debts. Mike Ashley HAS paid off our previous owners' colossal debts, well over £100,000,000 which could buy an entire team of good foreign international players. He's just explained that he's desperate to bring in rich local partners to help get this club onto Chelsea level, without takers. Screaming for Ashley's blood is rather mis-placed considering NUFC, within a couple of years, no doubt at all WERE the next Leeds United. O.K. so his southern appointments were rightly viewed as suspicious to say the least, considering that Wisey was plucked from a resurgent Leeds United's ' managers' job '. In a cold pessimistic world some have suggested that KK was used as a filip to keep the natives happy and interested at a precarious time while big Mike steadied the ship. Always with a strategy to install Wisey, his yes man, in the event that KK should walk away when the brochure didn't pan-out. The thing is though, I heard that Sir Kevin won't walk again as his soccer circus in Glasgow had flopped big-style and his 5 mill per year is crucial to getting him back on his feet. I dearly hope that is true cos he's the only person qualified to manage our exclusive Geordie club. I hope he stays on through our next revolutionary process to pick up the pieces, cos the poisoned little cockney dwarf will get hung, drawn and quartered at ' the City Keep ' if he even dares to entertain in his peanut brain that HE can hold the golden reins of OUR club. He is the anipathy of what we want or need right now and he would definitely break fat Sam's record of shortest Toon reign ever, if he were installed. Crazy this innit? We should be ecstatic at our best start in years, but as usual we've just reached the top of a peak on our big dipper ride, with Jonas and Collocini looking great buys. 2 wins and a draw at O.T. Now, as the law of gravity dictates, whatever goes up must come down, and here we go....my stomache's in my mouth again....I'm too old for this.

Posted by: ronnie lambert  | August 28, 2008 11:43 AM

Edmond Dante wrote...

Where have the 4000 gone?

Where did the other 20,000 come from 16 or so years ago?

I'm guessing it's the same place.

It's hard to invest both financially and emotionally in something when nobody seems to know what is going on about any situation at any given time, and the current global financial climate may well have sharpened peoples focus on the perceived problems at the club. Whether these problems are real, or just exist in the minds of tabloid journalist and half wit TV pundits nobody seems to know, because nobody who could tell us ever has the decency to pass comment.

Posted by: Edmond Dante  | August 28, 2008 1:23 PM

The Colonel wrote...

Economic downturns aside, it would seem the penny has finally dropped for many toon die-hards, sick of being patronised and seeing their beloved club run in a reckless and profligate manner. The corpulent Mr Shepherd always claimed to back his manager(s)but only with creditors money on the never-never. MA's failure to adequately inspect the books prior to purchase sees the club where it now is, with less liquidity than the Goby desert. However, even MA must see the current squad is thinner than John Water's moustache, with barely enough senior pros to fill the bench. Kev's signings so far have looked good. His buying record is decent - the litany of toon flops that rolls of the tongue so easily stems post-KK's first spell. MA should publicly back and listen to his requests for squad strengthening very seriously. If not, another unsatisfactory season of mid-table drivel awaits as even the Messiah cannot make bricks without straw.

Posted by: The Colonel  | August 28, 2008 3:03 PM

Restless Native wrote...

Ronnie Lambert ... I couldn't agree with you more. Keith Hutton ... what a load of old cobblers you regularly spout.

It's incredibly misguided for any "fan" to take out their frustrations on Ashley. Fact is, the bloke dug us out of a massive financial hole, he got rid of a total idiot of a manager, he brought back the best manager we've had in decades, and he's bankrolled the signing of two top-notch Argentinian internationals ... so far. Those are the facts. He should be judged on his actions; not the largely invented rubbish written by southern-based journos with an anti-Newcastle agenda.

I detest Dennis Wise as much as the next true football fan, and I wish he wasn't at my club, but I honestly think Ashley's heart is in the right place. And if he makes money while sorting out our club, after the shambles that was Fat Fred's reign, that's fine by me. Sir John Hall was our saviour, and he made a few quid out of the club along the way, didn't he? And I don't see any North East faces sticking their hands in their pockets to support him.

Last point. £10M for James Milner is only good business if we get a midfielder in who's truly worth that much before he leaves. Personally, I'd pay him more and keep him. He's not the finished article, but he's still young and his attitude's spot on.

Posted by: Restless Native  | August 28, 2008 7:39 PM

JohnL wrote...

Could this be the breaking point?

Could it be that the 4,000 have finally realized that, come the last weekend of the summer transfer window, no matter who owns, manages, runs the club, NUFC will forever be in a tangled mess with an injury stricken threadbare squad which has little hope of making it to the cup quarters or the top half of the premiership.

Blame who you wish, but in most businesses, the buck stops at the top (though most at the top blame those beneath them in the hierachy).

That special offer of Ashley's was a very bad marketing ploy which imploded on him. It was, in short a con. Do the sums.

He offered folks one free drink (accepted by people because the mark up on soft drinks at St James is an horrendous 57 per cent). He offered them a match ticket for £10 IF they bought a shirt for £30.

But they could just have gone to the box office and bought a ticket for £30, saving themselves the £10. It wasn't a sepcial offer. It was the plan of a greedy man intent on maximizing profit from a diminishing customer base.

The ticket pricing/policy beggars belief. It's built on an assumption that 52,000 people will all splash the cash (which most don't have) for a season ticket.

And the solution is simple: come the Wednesday before a home game, Ashley could make certain St James is full: He could cut the ticket prices for unsold/unused seats by 60 per cent giving ordinary unemployed/disabled/hard working minimum wage families the chance to see the Toon. He wouldn't lose money, he'd gain loyalty! And that MIGHT gain him future season ticket sales.

On the footballing side, Ashley promises much but delievers little and as an executive, Dennis Wise is a babe in arms (though he has form as one of the filthiest players England has ever produced).

Signings before Monday? PLEASE, take care of your health and don't hold your breath. I suspect that when Keegan shakes Wenger's hand at the end of our humiliation at The Emirates tomorrow, he'll walk down the tunnel and out of NUFC.

Ashley, as someone else said, never had any intention of splashing the cash. He's appears (Luke, that should take care of the libel laws) to be greedy and self interested. He couldn't give two third choice shirts for the club!

John D. Lewis

Posted by: JohnL  | August 29, 2008 9:28 AM

ronnie lambert wrote...

A couple of weeks ago, Ashley nailed his colours to the mast. Only trouble is, his objective for this season was that,' he was going to have some fun ', not try to win something. In the light of his knife in Milner's back, and no perceived intention of renewing Owen's contract, is his fun watching the loyal Geordie fans squirm in frustration? I'm not a detractor of Milner, in fact I love the kid playing for us and believe he would've stayed forever. But I'm so angry that it's come to this on the day I renewed my first season ticket since Dalglish the dismantler. Now you know why the 4,000 or more fans have jumped ship, mind you the long-toothed loyalists won't be among them, the one's before the Johnny-come-latelies arrived on Keegan's entertainers bandwagon. The 20-30-40 and 50+ year long supporters who have kept this sleeping, sorry, catatonic giant of a club on a life-support system. At least now that Ashley's paid off the debts, debts greater than those which sank Leeds United, we are financially stable. So if he is trying to make a quick profit by selling on, well bring it on. New owners might then see the sense in speculating on a bigger, stronger team, knowing that it would drag the 4,000 back kicking and screaming to get in. I only hope that Keegan will be patient with what he's got until that time. I don't think my heart could stand losing him again, and if we did there will be season tickets a foot high on the pitch.

Posted by: ronnie lambert  | August 29, 2008 9:46 AM

Restless Natives wrote...

I honestly think Ashley's actions to date - and I've said above what they are - means he deserves to be given some time to get our damaged oil tanker of a club repaired and turned around.

If this is a season of financial consolidation, where we sign only a few VERY good players - again, look at the evidence - and finish upper mid-table, I would take that as part of a longer-term plan for success.

For years we have squandered millions on terrible, terrible signings. We've all got excited at our next 'great prospect' - Boumsong, Marcelino, Viana, Kluivert ... the list is endless - only for them to turn out to be total rubbish. I don't want to go back to those days.

As long as Keegan's at the helm, I say let Ashley run the club - that he paid a fortune for and which he has SAVED - in the way he thinks best. Keep the faith. Two years or so to get us back on track is nothing compared to the post-Bobby fodder we had to endure.

Mind you, if Keegan walks, so do I - he is my barometer in all of this. And if Wise EVER gets anywhere near the playing side of things, I'll be the first among the rioting hordes. But that's all "ifs" ...

In the meantime, I'll keep reminding myself of the facts. Oh, and they also now include Kev saying that he, personally sanctioned the Milner sale ...

Keep the faith. Trust Keegan. And give Ashley a break. At least until we've tangible reason to do otherwise.

Posted by: Restless Natives  | August 29, 2008 3:52 PM

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