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It Is Very Painful If You Slip On A Knife Edge

Posted by Luke on September 3, 2008 11:53 AM | 

Most Newcastle United fans will have woken up this morning hoping it had all been a bad dream. Sadly, like the morning after a ridiculously heavy night before, it will all have come flooding back, all the regret, pain, anger and confusion which made Tuesday September 2nd one of the club's worst.

For now, it seems, Kevin Keegan remains as Newcastle United manager, but we simply do not know whether the peace talks instigated by owner Mike Ashley are going to lead to a lasting truce.

Keegan is frustrated and he is angry and he is never at his most rationale in that mood. He feels promises to him have been broken and he is struggling to have a working relationship with managing director Derek Llambias and, perhaps, other members of the Newcastle board appointed by Ashley to run the club in his absence.

There will be more meetings this week but I should warn that, if Keegan does not get the reassurances he needs, if he does not get the feeling he has the 100% support of the board and if he feels his control is being undermined by other powerbrokers at St James's Park, his second spell as manager will come to an end.

This is crunch time for Ashley and I wonder whether he will have to make a straight choice, either Llambias goes or it's Keegan who heads for the exit door, ushering in the protesting masses as he leaves.

Ashley has been in football for a season and a bit and he is still - or rather the people he has appointed - are making far too many mistakes which pure football people like Keegan can't tolerate.

It will be fascinating stuff for the national media - and some serious questions have to be asked about the manner in which Sky Sports News reported the story, masquerading rumour as fact, before quietly shifting the emphasis when they realised they had got it spectacularly wrong - to pour over, but I'd imagine it is agonising for those who actually care about their football club.

I was asked to give an interview on Radio Five Live last night in which I described the events on Tyneside on Tuesday as "traumatic" and if ever such a powerful word should be used in football, I think this was it.

Of course the sound of a cockney talking about how much Kevin meant to the people of this city may have confused a few people who had tuned in before going to sleep - I'm sure I helped them! - but I think, caught up in the emotion myself, I might even have used the word love!

Okay so the rent-a-mob outside SJP were typically cringe worthy - why can't they ever find someone sensible to interview? - but the strength of feeling yesterday for Keegan was staggering. Probably because most sensible people are at work, but there you go!

If ever anyone needed evidence of why Newcastle is such a unique footballing city, they got it. Everyone, and I mean everyone, I have spoken to in the last 48 hours has had something to say about the situation - none of complimentary about the board.

Perhaps it is about time those from down south who have bought a vested interest in Newcastle United started to wake up and smell the coffee.

They have almost sparked the sort of mass rebellion rarely seen in Premier League football. They have pulled it back from the brink for now, but the situation remains on a knife edge and if you slip with your legs open it blooming well hurts!

I should probably finally add that the wife - you know the Newcastle season ticket holder with the red hair and the short temper - is also keen to express her view that, if Dennis Wise is appointed manager in the event Keegan leaves, she will never go to watch them again while he is in charge, three year season ticket deal or not!

I suspect she won't be the only one finding alternative forms of Saturday entertainment if that does indeed turn out to be the case. Let's just hope it doesn't come to that...

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Comments (25)

PJ wrote...

I hate Dennis Wise and always have done.
I could almost stomach his appointment as long as we never heard or saw him.
I didn't think it was possible to dislike him any more. But apparently it is.
On the subject of wives, mine emailed this morning to say 'Whatever happens with KK, we'll get through it. I'll be there for you every step of the way'. I think she was taking the mick.

Posted by: PJ  | September 3, 2008 12:45 PM

Stephen Mallet wrote...

Massive misjudgement of the love that Newcastle fans feel for Keegan! If Ashley tests this love and Kevin goes, however they package it, he will suffer like no other previous owner or chairman has known before. We are behind Kevin 100%, we know that he has been shafted over player decisions by the cockney suits who rarely venture "Up North". He's turned this club around again after the Allardyce fiasco and has them playing good football, Keegan football again! Only he has done it, only he could do it. Go on Ashley, dump the cockneys, call a taxi for Wise and co. and let us get on with enjoying the new Keegan revolution!

Posted by: Stephen Mallet  | September 3, 2008 12:50 PM

jac mills wrote...

Luke

I think this is one of the best of your columns! You have captured in a few words the heart of the problem and have given a solution. I do sense a little emotion -- and why not -- but the guts of the story spells out clearly that the people who own and manage NUFC do not know how to handle it. If this were another club, Ashley, maybe, could get by with his "strictly business" method of running the venture. But it is NOT just another business nor is it just another club. It is NUFC and that imposes a unique obligation for an owner. From what I have read of Ashley and seen how he has worked from the start, and I have said this before, his God is the bottom line, and only that. He'll sell the club when he is ready, but in the meantime, he is devaluing the organization with his inability to see through the fog of his own making. KK, of course, has to bear some blame for allowing this situation to build. His support of Barton, while admirable as a human being, was not good sense when his owner wanted to be rid of Barton. But then again, what else could we expect from KK?

Posted by: jac mills  | September 3, 2008 1:14 PM

Edmond Dante wrote...

I don't demand a team that wins trophies, just a team that tries to win games.

I don't want "Wow" signings, just good players who want to play well for us.

What I do want, is a club that doesn't make me cringe, doesn't make me embarrassed by association.

I want our dignity and pride back.

Looks like instead I might get Dennis Wise.

Posted by: Edmond Dante  | September 3, 2008 1:21 PM

asm wrote...

I don't think Ashley and his people are concerned with 'pure football' as you put it, or in fact concerned with football at all. The intention seems to have been to appoint KK as a figurehead to cover up the lack of money being invested elsewhere. Whatever you think of KK as a manager, to his credit, he has not been content to go along with this, and the fans have not been fooled. Perhaps this has come as a surprise to the businessmen who thought that nufc would be an easy investment for a few years then ripe for selling off. Doesn't take a genius to realise that if you wreck a football club's ability to play football then it won't be worth much. But then, as this lot have demonstrated, they're no genuiuses...

Posted by: asm  | September 3, 2008 1:36 PM

Dave B wrote...

Luke - the choice for Ashley is clear then - Llambias or Keegan to stay

He will pick Keegan.

He will make this call not because he's a Geordie, and certainly not because Keegan is morally in the right, but because at heart he's a commercial animal.

Like thousands of season ticket holders I'd already decided to stay away from SJP for the Hull game and away from any product sold by Sports Soccer. Ashley knows this and that's why this call is an easy one. The question then becomes will Keegan stay? I think he will with his point well and truly made.


As for Llambias - Well despite big Mike subsidising it by losing pot loads the Casio industry is currently suffering.


I hear Gala Bingo in North Shields need a shift manager.

Posted by: Dave B  | September 3, 2008 1:48 PM

JP wrote...

A few thoughts on this fiasco...

1) First off I agree with you completely - the manner in which all of this was reported yesterday by certain dedicated sports news channels was disgusting. They acted like the buzzing hoardes on an internet forum - spewing rumour and speculation - with no other goal but to inflame the situation and further embarrass and humiliate this once great club. As if we need help doing that.

2) If today's reports can be believed, and Ashley is attempting to be the peace-keeper in all of this and resolve the various differences between Keegan and the board, then (assuming he cares more about the club, than his money) his next move should be straightforward: keep Keegan as manager, install a Chairman (not an MD), dissolve this faux-continental style of two-tier management, and then get his idiot-self into a suit, away from the fans, and into the bloody board-room, where he can support his manager professionally and financially, like any club owner worth his salt should be doing. As it stands he is making Hicks and Gillett look good.

3) If the worst should happen, and Ashley chooses his London pals over his manager, could he really be myopic enough to install Dennis Wise as manager? What's left of this clubs reputation would be in tatters. We've already heard from yesterdays mob outside SJP what the fans would think about it, but has anyone considered the team? How will they respond to an unproven manager, who at best, was a mediocre scrapper? Considering his own disciplinary record, is he the man to resurrect Joey Barton's career? The idea is laughable.

Ashley needs to get this right. I don't think I need to list the consequences should he get it wrong.

You're right Luke - the last 48 hours have been nothing if not traumatic...

Posted by: JP  | September 3, 2008 1:54 PM

ronnie lambert wrote...

MMMmmm Geordie redheads...er Luke, have you got...urm could you send me some wedding pics to my e-mail ad please, just so I can cut 'you' out and put 'you' in a frame on my desk? You just took my mind right off the problem in hand, and my suicidal thoughts. Seriously mate, your lass is spot on. I've just sold one of 75 priceless guitars for my first season ticket since Dalglish the dismantler killed KK's entertainers, and I point blank refuse to go to a un-Wise managed game. Not one! I know thousands of unfortunate fans have invested in the 3 year deal and, with their kids, will just have to go but that 'WOW' signing patter makes that deal look like a huge masterful con. It will of course bite Ashley in the ass in loss of merchandise sales, cup tickets etc. but hopefully speed up the sale of NUFC to a more worthy custodion. Don't forget the pics Luke.

Note From Luke
Any message that starts Geordie redheads is bound to set the alarm bells ringing. The wife's identity shall remain a closely guarded secret for fear that this mafia everyone is going on about at the moment tries to kidknap her! In other words, no you can't have any photographs!

Posted by: ronnie lambert  | September 3, 2008 2:36 PM

JC wrote...

Luke, I couldn't have put it any better myself! The only scenario I can forsee, if we the fans are to have our way, is that Ashley and the London mafia (including that bumbling idiot Lambias)skulk off back to London with their tails between their legs. One thing however, we cant forget the fool that sold him the club in the first place Sir John Hall. If Ashley was one of the many options Sir JH, how in the hell did you figure out he was best placed to run this club? As for all the talk of following the Arsenal model FORGET IT! It aint gonna happen, Wenger is the brains behind that operation, a commodity that Dennis Wise and the other fools on the recruitment team severely lack! Alan Oliver says Reliance are interested, I can only pray that they are. Keegan is and always has been a good judge of player, why in the hell dont they give him the rope to go prove it. KK will be the first to hold his hands up if it goes wrong. As fans we need to unite, lets boycott the games, boycott the merchandise, dont give Mike ashley another penny! We are not naive idiots Mike, you sold us a dream that aint ever going to materialise. PLEASE GO NOW!

Note From Luke
The problem JC is that Ashley is desperately trying to keep Keegan because he realises he has a major problem on his hands if he doesn't. We may be seeing a power struggle at the club which is on the verge of being won by the manager. Only time will tell, but it might be a little too soon to start talking about forcing Ashley et al out of the door. I suspect Llambias might end up being the sacrifical lamb at the end of all this, leading to a joint pledge of unity from Ashley and KK. That's the best case scenario, the worst is KK leaves, there is mass disenchantment, boycotts and NUFC implodes, leading to relegation etc etc...

Posted by: JC  | September 3, 2008 2:38 PM

Tim B wrote...

Excellent quote from the BBC website - pretty much sums it up...

"Newcastle are left as a laughing stock once more. And no-one on Tyneside is blaming Keegan."

Too right we're not. Give Keegan control. Sack Wise, Vetere, Jiminez & Llambias. The first three can't even do their jobs as they are seemingly unable to recruit proven Premier League players. The latter, Llambias, has no regard for Newcastle as club and has treated Kevin Keegan, a Toon legend, with nothing but contempt. We don't need these people.

Posted by: Tim B  | September 3, 2008 3:44 PM

James 09 wrote...

Luke I really hate to brown nose but great blog - and I usually disagree with at least something you've said!

As you've hinted at - even if everyone stays and the executive/management structure remains as it was three days ago, something will eventually give. It's simply be a matter of time.

We all hope it's not one of the few admirable parts of our club - Kevin Keegan.

Note From Luke
It's certainly going to be very interesting to see what sort of structure there is at the end of these talks, although God knows when that's going to be!

Posted by: James 09  | September 3, 2008 4:37 PM

Mark wrote...

I think what needs to be taken into consideration here is that since Chris Mort left the relations with the media, however few and far between they were when Mort was here, have become even less. Llambias is inept. Completely and utterly inept. He may be able to run a 'normal' business but is definitely not 'fit for purpose' to run a football club. Dennis Wise should be just a scout, not an interfering know-it-all who obviously knows nothing whatsoever. They've dallied when looking at players, haven't gone for the people that the team manager wants, and have no idea what being Newcastle United is all about. There are probably only 5 people alive who probably know it inside out. Keegan, Shearer, Robson, Clark and McDermott. And all were associated with the good times, and some of the bad too. However, until Wise and Llambias are gone (not Ashley - although he needs to revise his appointments and bring Chris Mort back asap) then there's going to be immense problems for this club no matter who's the manager.

By the way, I am allowed my £1200 back for my season tickets over the next 3 years under the premise that Llambias has allegedly obtained money off me under false pretences? Isn't that a crime?

Note From Luke
I'm not entirely sure how the whole season ticket thing works because, at this rate, there are going to be a lot of fans cancelling their direct debit payments for next season which could leave a lot of cases for the club to pursue, which will cost them a fortune if it goes to court. Unfortunately, I guess they would have the power to ban people from the ground if they broke the contract they signed for the three years, but that's for the future.

Posted by: Mark  | September 3, 2008 4:38 PM

the colonel wrote...

If my memory serves me correctly Keegan's entertainers were just so because those branded as such were all good players. No flacid Marcelinos Luques Marics Boumsongs or Vianas etc etc for KK. The only disappointing player I remember KK buying was Paul Kitson, and he wasn't all that bad. In fact compared to the gang of degenerates named above he was Pele. Point being KK has a good eye for a player. If MA backs Kev with decent money things will totally come together. What has Llambias ever contributed to the footballing, consuming public up here? Nowt. In keeping with your cultured allusion to the Weimar republic Luke,let's hope there is a night of the long knives and Llambias Wise et al feel the wrath of an angry chopper and KK becomes undisputed chancellor of the Geordie Reich.

Posted by: the colonel  | September 3, 2008 5:17 PM

Sy wrote...

I'd agree with everyone who's commended this article, Luke. I delibrately held off commenting on either blog yesterday, partly because I wanted to hear from the club first and partly because I couldn't put into words what I was seeing, so apologies if this post runs long!

Management structure aside for a minute or two, the biggest problem I see at the moment at the club is the complete wall of silence which has been apparent ever since the departure of Chris Mort. It's been said before that Ashley feels that he doesn't have to speak to the fans through the media, and while that's true - he doesn't have to do anything he doesn't want to - all this achieves in the football world is that fans and media alike are left to their own devices to interpret the situation at the club...some informed and intelligent, some quite the opposite.

I cringe whenever there's something serious going on at St James's Park, because the televised media seem intent on entertaining the South by parading the rent-a-Geordie performing seals outside the ground and get them chanting for Shearer or something else daft like "Sack the Board". Luke, you pointed out that they never interview anyone sensible, but half the time I suspect they do, but don't broadcast the thoughts of sensible locals for fear of destroying the hand-clapping stereotype they've spent years creating. They do the same when it comes to viewer emails...reading out the stupid ones rather than the "boring" sensible ones. (To be fair though, it's not just Newcastle they do this bit with, as they read out an email from a Man Utd fan on Monday demanding Sir Alex Ferguson be sacked all because Man City had made a bid for Berbatov - Hilarious.) Anyway, it's this lot which demonstrates perfectly why some people shouldn't be left to their own devices to interpret a situation.

All I know is that I'm sick of this club being a national laughing stock, and am both angry and dismayed that this farcical situation created by the upper management has now completely overshadowed what has been such an encouraging start to the season, particularly the point and performance at Old Trafford and Jonas Gutierrez & Fabricio Coloccini. Matters on the pitch, Arsenal aside, finally had the media talking about our football and not the recurring soap opera.

As for my two cents on how I would advise Ashley to proceed, well, I see two scenarios:

If Ashley doesn't want to sell, and is in fact intent on developing the club, then the departure of Keegan now will result in chaos, which will mean the cancelled direct debits you predicted earlier, vastly reduced attendances (I don't think an empty stadium would ever happen, despite the calls for a boycott), people not spending money on merchandise and all the rest which we saw glimpses of on Tuesday - all in all, not good for business - not to mention the carry-on of finding a new manager. So if Ashley wants to keep the club and develop it, Keegan must stay.

The other option, if Ashley decides that he's had enough of this football game, then to attract someone rich enough to spend £260m-or-so, then history would suggest that the club needs to be in the top half of the table, playing decent football and have a strong, content fan base. You don't see anyone looking to take over Bolton, Middlesborough or the like, do you? For this to happen, Keegan must stay.

So for my money, Keegan must stay. The alternative and what it will entail frankly doesn't bear thinking about.

Posted by: Sy  | September 3, 2008 7:53 PM

ivor clark wrote...

Thing is.....how did this story break in the first place??....who is the mole at the Toon??...geee whizz the power of the rumour mill!!...yet look at West Ham and Curbs goin for just about the same reasons...did someone on Fleet Street get their stories mixed up??. Nah things have also been simmering for a while at St James'. Clearly KK has been undermined, yet I remember him saying that the appt of Denis Wise had his full backing, so I can only think other things have happened to make him reconsider his own future. Im sure there will be life after KK if he goes, but where will 50000 geordies go to spend their saturday/sunday afternoons?....With their misses doon the shops?....doon the playground wiv the kids?....I dunno. After the Dyer/Bowyer and now Barton fiasco I did not think the Toon could stoop much lower. Credit that Ashley brought KK backin the first place, but was that just to appease the fans after all?. ( apparently Rednapp confirmed he was approached for the job but turned it down because he could not work under a director of football structure!) Hmmm the next few days will be very interestin...This transfer window mullarky must also carry some blame too for helping to create these kind of crazy situations....

Posted by: ivor clark  | September 3, 2008 9:17 PM

stuart wrote...

Chronicle report that the indian guy is still wanting to buy the club and invest in the team. Sell up ashley please and quick. kk has to stay

Posted by: stuart  | September 3, 2008 9:25 PM

Andy wrote...

Luke - you can win a battle but lose the war.

There will be no winners in this situation.

The MD and Wise are dead men walking. they are hate figures for NUFC's 'customers' -Ashley knows they will have to go.

Ashley is terminally damaged in the eyes of the fans - i suspect he knows he will have to cash in. i suspect after this week he will gladly cash in.

As for KK -fairly or unfairly this will only reinforce the 'professional view' that he is too emotional, flakey and prone to walking out. He may currently have Ashley by the b*lls - but your average billionaire is unlikely to relish handing over his family jewels to KK and the lynch mob we saw pictures of on the telly.

A poor squad, empty seats, a damaged chairman and a tarnished brand. Long term i see no room for optimism irrespective of who wins the battle - nufc and the fans are losing the war.

Posted by: Andy  | September 4, 2008 1:43 AM

Arijit wrote...

You know what? I've stayed in the city for about six years - till May this year, when I came back home - but I can still feel every bit of it. And that's why, I'm sitting in an office thousands of miles away, in Calcutta, India - and hoping that sense prevail, KK gets the authority he needs and the respect of the club hierarchy he deserves. haven't slept well for the past couple of nights...

Posted by: Arijit  | September 4, 2008 8:09 AM

john gilroy wrote...

Just a thought. Does Ashley care what the fans think, after all he has their money for this season as most people are season ticket holders. Am I right in thinking that for those seson ticket holders that took the 3 year option he has their money for the next two years also.

I suspect the reasons that this matter has not been resolved is that Ashley is waiting for Keegan to resign and Keegan is waiting for his pay-off.

If Keegan goes it will be interesting to see who in their right mind would want the job. Certainly non of those that the bookmakers would be making favourites, and certainly none of those that the fans would want.

Incidentally, Luke, the most sensible blog I've read on this issue

Posted by: john gilroy  | September 4, 2008 11:04 AM

BigAL wrote...

An excellent article Luke and I truly hope Ashley, who does appear to be trying to appease the situation, makes the right call.

And what exactly is that call? ....

Well Ashley has to choose between one of his two disciples. Either he sides with a European Footballer of the Year, entrenched in the game, vastly experienced, a proven successful track record at Newcastle both as a player and manager, revered by players and fans alike and deeply, deeply passionate about the club and with a rare quality - impeccable integrity........ or a businessman of gambling pedigree, who entered the football world when he joined the NUFC board in May this year, to become MD in June a full 11 weeks ago, just in time to preside over the transfer window and demonstrate his credentials in handling player recruitment, contract negotiations and sale of players with the management and tact of a reckless gambler playing a one-armed bandit!

Mmmmm, that is a tough decision!

Unfortunately this has a horrible sense of deja vu from when Keegan left in '97. An unknown entity called Mark Corbridge who had joined NUFC as joint chief executive from NatWest Markets in November '96 only 2 months before Keegan departed, who in Kev's own words "was the main architect" of his departure.

A non-footballing 'transient' individual who turned up, engineered Keegan's demise and then dissapeared from the game. The consequences of which had enormous repercussions and led to Newcastle's inevitable decline. If Ashley allows this to happen again the outcome will be far, far worse, the fall-out will be of nuclear proportions.

I just hope Ashley realises the enormity of any decision that ends with him backing Llambias & Wise at the expense of Keegan. It will not just be a gamble, it will be like playing Russian Roulette with every chamber loaded!

Without a scintilla of doubt, the consequences for him will be suicidal!

Posted by: BigAL  | September 4, 2008 12:03 PM

kevin wrote...

If KK goes I will never buy another football strip, t-shirt etc nor cross the doors of St James' Park again:I know that wont break Mike Ashley's heart but I promise to keep to that until Ashley is gone or the King returns.
I'm not a season ticket holder so I can't ask those who spend far more money and time than me on NUFC to do the same-but I really hope everyone can make a stand against this debacle.
We don't ask for much as Toon supporters but this is too much to bare.PS please dont think I or others will be brought back by appionting Shearer.He has already blotted his copy book by not coming out in support of KK!
If he were foolish enough to take this position now he will find himself in the exact same situation but tied up in a tighter contract.

Posted by: kevin  | September 4, 2008 12:36 PM

M. Sebastian T. wrote...

The current sad saga has been a long time in the making. It is certainly time for that Toon fans stop living on 'fumes of hope'. The job of managing NUFC has proven beyond the ability of so many managers that it surely cannot be said any longer that any of them were to blame personally. Whoever replaces KK, be it this week or some few week hence, will also fail unless the cancer that affects the club is cut out. Ashley and co must go whatever else happens.

Empty home stands against Sunderland would show what fans think about the sad state of affairs?

Posted by: M. Sebastian T.  | September 4, 2008 2:53 PM

The Wife wrote...

It's me. Yes, the red haired, short tempered one..... you spelled rational wrong! x :0)

Posted by: The Wife  | September 4, 2008 7:17 PM

Restless Native wrote...

Mr Ashley

I hereby tender my resignation as a supporter of Newcastle United.

After 25 years of [a few great] ups and [very many more] downs, I am devastated to advise you that I cannot, any longer, bring myself to line the pockets of unworthy, ignorant, duplicitous, arrogant liars. I thought you represented a brave new dawn for my great old club, and I have even defended you in the face of criticism from others; what a complete mug I was.

You are scum Mr Ashley. You have no right, ever, to wear the colours and badge of Newcastle United next to your heart.

Your treeatment of Kevin Keegan - either directly or by proxy, via your poisonous associates - is despicable. Kevin has more talent and integrity in his little finger than you and the rest of your vile cronies have in your drunken, bloated bodies.

I realise this decision will leave a huge whole in my life - I have no new club to go to - but it is the only option. While NUFC is your club, it isn't mine. The moment you are gone, I will be back. Until that day, I remain a fan, but the club does not have my support.

Come to your senses - get out now, before your investment is worthless.

Posted by: Restless Native  | September 4, 2008 7:23 PM

tony brown wrote...

Hello Luke, Once more the season gets under way at Newcastle United in a style that would be more at home in an Ediburgh Festival fringe theatre. Perhaps they ought to move the whole show to the Theatre Royal. For me, one of the most ironic aspects is a Kafkaesque sub-plot to the farce in which the two leading players, Keegan and Ashley were each championing pantomime villains with less than enviable characters, Barton and Wise. Barton's exploits don't require much description. However,time has dimmed the memory of Wise's less than admirable off-field behaviour, but his antics were just as unpopular as Barton's in the days when he was making his court appearances after endearing himself to the taxi-driving fraternity. Not surprisingly, public sympathy at the time was for the taxi driver. There are footballers too who can attest to the less than savoury side of Wise. He was once caught in close-up, on MOTD, slyly nipping the leg of a player he had tackled, when he felt the referee wasn't looking, obviously hoping his victim would retaliate and earn a red card. I doubt that he has undergone a dramatic change in his behaviour since retiring from playing. It's both odd and unfortunate that he should find his way to SJP where his appointment has been very unpopular from the beginning. What a season we have ahead of us. At least you won't be short of stuff to write about. I'm just staggered by the shambles.

Posted by: tony brown  | September 5, 2008 12:22 PM

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