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Keegan - "I Had No Choice"

Posted by Luke on September 4, 2008 7:41 PM | 

Newcastle United supporters are among the most loyal in world football but the simple question following Kevin Keegan's resignation is where does your loyalty lie now?

Newcastle fans have followed the topsy-turvy fortunes of English football's greatest under-achievers with a gritty resolve and a resilient sense of humour which, at times, has been nothing short of remarkable.

But will that inbred loyalty, which has been handed down by generation to generation in this football mad corner of North East England be enough to prevent a season of mass discontent at a club which sits bang square in the middle of a crisis which is tearing it apart.

Is this the end for Mike Ashley's regime? Will he be left with any other alternative than to hide in the director's box at games while he desperately looks for a buyer?

It all seemed like so much fun at first, but this is one business venture that has turned sour for the billionaire and it is difficult, given the strength of feeling on Tyneside at this stage, how he can hope to cling on, even if he did intervene to try and keep him following the row with managing director Derek Llambias on Monday?

If there is anyone connected to him - Derek Llambias, Dennis Wise and Tony Jimenez - who does not understand what they have done, I'm pretty sure they are about to. Boycotts, demonstrations and protests are all coming there way if the initial response to Keegan's turmoil is to be believed. I don't think these are flash in the pan threats made in the heat of the moment.

When Keegan released a statement via the League Manager's Association on Thursday evening, the implication was clear - he says he has been forced out by boardroom interference in player retention and recruitment.

We suspected as much, but somehow the confirmation that a man who loves NUFC as much as anyone has been forced to resign in protest at the way it is being run, still hits home with the force of a Ricky Hatton rib-tickler. "I have been left with no choice", those are the words which will reverberate again and again as United fans decide what to do next.

Keegan is an emotional character, some might even describe him as a high maintenance kinda guy, but surely it isn't too much to ask for a manager at a supposedly top Premier League club to be able to decide who he signs and who he keeps at his football club.

Considering how long Newcastle's long suffering supporters put up with former chairman Freddie Shepherd, they are now renowned for their militancy, but neither were Chinese students before Tinanmen Square!

There are undoubtedly people up and down the country who find the whole thing rather amusing - there are probably a few 12 miles down the road in Sunderland who are struggling not to laugh - but this isn't a laughing matter for those who have come to believe their club has been hijacked.

Keegan tried to use his popularity with the fans to win a power struggle with the board, to win back control of player recruitment and to ensure he was able to make the major footballing decisions without interference - he has lost.

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Comments (59)

Brian wrote...

This is really a shambles I honestly think they have no idea of just what they have done, I also honestly believe they are just about to find out, it isn't WISE to cross the Geordie nation and their love of NUFC.

Posted by: Brian  | September 4, 2008 9:13 PM

Wayne wrote...

I'm from Singapore and I've been a Newcastle fan for 18 years. However from today onwards i will no longer be one. Newcastle have let me down too many times these few years. From the day they sack Sir Bobby Robson, I was really disappointed. Since than how many managers have Newcastle changed ? When Ashley came in i thought Newcastle is about to become the next chelsea. With a billionaire owner and keegan back lets give the big four a fight for their money. However Newcastle has been spinning out of control. I'm really heart broken with the news of Keegan's departure. Newcastle has let me down again. It pains me to make this decision but from today onwards i will never watch a single newcastle match again.

RIP Newcastle 1990 - 2008

Posted by: Wayne  | September 4, 2008 9:35 PM

Paul Hodgson wrote...

What an absolute disaster!

Ashley has made us the laughing stock of English soccer.

Wasn't he the one that promised so much when he gained control then forgot about it?

He pretends to be a fan BUT he doesn't understand what it is to be a true MAG. Its not just the shirt and trying to act the part - its a certain pride and devotion - something Mr Ashley, Wise and Co dont understand

What reject are we gonna get now to 'manage'? this once great club?

Like many others I wont be setting foot in SJB untill this bunch of cowboys (Ashley, Wise and Company!) are gone and forgotten!

I've supported the club for 50years, stood on terraces in the rain and snow and lived through some bad times but this is the worst of them all.

I sincerely hope Ashley doesn't try to install Wise and Poyet because if he does they'll be lucky to get 10,000 through the gates.

RIP NUFC

And God help the club because the current board haven't got a clue.

Posted by: Paul Hodgson  | September 4, 2008 9:36 PM

Brian wrote...

Luke
If you love the club you must give your support to any legal action by the fans to show our contempt for what's happened this week. Speak to the players. get them to say something, however coded the message may be. Encourage a groundswell of opinion to boycott the match. You can help. It's your club and my club. We need to do whatever we can to get Ashley and Wise out.

Note From Luke
Brian, I sympathise fully with you and everyone else who has left a comment tonight, but sadly Newcastle United isn't my club. As I've mentioned before, I'm a Leyton Orient fan, but that does not mean I am not as stunned and surprised by what has happened as the rest of you. It is going to be very interesting - perhaps that word is a little cold in the circumstances - to see what happens next.

Posted by: Brian  | September 4, 2008 9:47 PM

Joe Mac wrote...

Well now I want to see the Arabs come in. Hopefully they'll appoint Kev once again and we can move forward.

Failing that a manager who can take us forward.

Anything else and we'll really, really struggle this season. A thread bare squad, a hated board and owner, disgruntled fans and players.

What's the odds on the Toon wiining the championship under new owners next season?

Posted by: Joe Mac  | September 4, 2008 9:51 PM

Restless Native wrote...

Mr Ashley

In case you missed my earlier note to you.

I hereby tender my resignation as a supporter of Newcastle United.

After 25 years of [a few great] ups and [very many more] downs, I am devastated to advise you that I cannot, any longer, bring myself to line the pockets of unworthy, ignorant, duplicitous, arrogant liars. I thought you represented a brave new dawn for my great old club, and I have even defended you in the face of criticism from others; what a complete mug I was.

You are scum Mr Ashley. You have no right, ever, to wear the colours and badge of Newcastle United next to your heart.

Your treeatment of Kevin Keegan - either directly or by proxy, via your poisonous associates - is despicable. Kevin has more talent and integrity in his little finger than you and the rest of your vile cronies have in your drunken, bloated bodies.

I realise this decision will leave a huge whole in my life - I have no new club to go to - but it is the only option. While NUFC is your club, it isn't mine. The moment you are gone, I will be back. Until that day, I remain a fan, but the club does not have my support.

Come to your senses - get out now, before your investment is worthless.

Or, appoint Dennis Wise as Manager and try to soldier on. Go on big man, I dare you. Then you will REALLY KNOW HATRED and your regime will be DESTROYED.

Posted by: Restless Native  | September 4, 2008 10:00 PM

gilla wrote...

As a fan for 45 years I have seen some strange things happening at Newcastle but the events of the last few days has made this period one of the saddest for me. We now have a very bad situation here and any protests will be wholly justified. I think this was coming the day Ashley gave jobs to Wise & co over KK's head. It was never going to work with the London lot recruiting players without the agreement of the manager.
However, Ashley has all of the season ticket money up front so he won't care. Anyone who doesn't turn up will still be counted as part of the attendance so it will still look good in the papers next day. His little cockney pixie will do his bidding and not give a stuff for the club or the fans. The best way to protest is to give him and his team as much stick as possible during the games whilst giving maximum support to the players, who must be in total shock. Spend absolutely no money in the ground thus hitting him in the pocket; write letters to him telling him just what you think of him and pushing him to sell up to someone who actually gives a damn about us.
Mike Ashley has done some good things for the club but this isn't one of them - which manager in his right mind is going to come to the toon knowing that he has no control over who comes and goes? - Obviously it will be a "yes" man with no feeling for the club or it's fans - a bit like those left in charge now.
I hope we don't get relegated but it's going to be one hell of a job to lift the morale in the dressing room.
Ashley & co do not have my support now and they are going to have to do something pretty spectacular to get it back.
The best thing now is for him and his pals to get on a plane back to the smoke and give "Newcastle upon Thames" back to Newcastle upon Tyne.

Posted by: gilla  | September 4, 2008 10:53 PM

jim miley wrote...

Is'nt amazing that the day that Keegan leaves the fat b**tard offers Owen a new three year deal,i mean com'on,do you really expect Owen to hang around after January,he would be a fool to put up with this crap from these clowns,and i'm with the rest of you lads lets boycott the hull game.

Posted by: jim miley  | September 4, 2008 11:54 PM

Sue Horsley wrote...

I am devastated that Kevin Keegan has been forced out, I am disgusted at the treatment he has been given. Was he brought in in January just to ensure the sale of season tickets, due to the growing unrest and dislike of Sam Allardyce. He has certainly been treated like the front man puppet for 'The Mike Ashley' Show. Unfortunately (or maybe fortuitously) Ashley and Co. will reap their just deserts, they may not give the Geordies much credit, but believe me they have under-estimated in this case. I hope that all season ticket holders, and other intersested parties turn up to St James' Park for the match against Hull, but that not one goes through a turnstile. The current board may then realise that 50,000 outside SJP, making their feelings known, is no where near as pleasant as the same crowd, orderly and cheering inside. I think Mike that on this occasion, you have moved the goal posts too far.
Your best bet, and those of your cronies is to stay away, and sell to the first person that offers to buy. As far as I'm concerned you are no longer welcome in our City.

Posted by: Sue Horsley  | September 5, 2008 12:29 AM

Sue Horsley wrote...

Does anyone the situation as regards refunds on season tickets?

Note From Luke
Sue, I'm afraid I don't. Your best bet will be to contact the club directly, although I assume it will be difficult for them to claim the money if you cancel the direct debit!

Posted by: Sue Horsley  | September 5, 2008 12:32 AM

anon american wrote...

I will also no longer spend any money that will go Newcastle FC's way untill Keegan is back or Ashley is gone.

Posted by: anon american  | September 5, 2008 5:42 AM

Paul D. Kay wrote...

An absolute nightmare. Waking up this morning, it's difficult to comprehend that it's real.

Ashley, you've sown the seeds of your own destruction here - get ready, because there is a firestorm coming and it's beyond your comprehension.

You have sullied the name of Keegan, the club, the city of Newcastle and the whole community.

Sell and get out.

Posted by: Paul D. Kay  | September 5, 2008 8:37 AM

JC wrote...

Restless native...well said! My biggest fear is that, that arrogant fat fool will try to ride out the storm, with that little tw*t Wise right by his side. Drastic action must be taken and that will mean more than the supposed 10 min boycott for the Hull game. We need to let this fat, non alcholic downing impostor know that this is our club. I dont care if he's paid off the debts, I want to enjoy my Saturdays again, not wince as I sit in a workplace full of Man Utd fans on a Monday morning! I can see only one result from this and that is relegation. I will ALWAYS love Newcastle United, but will NEVER watch another game while Wise and Ashley sit in power. People may argue that we should support the team regardless, I fiercely disagree, Mike Ashley has proved he is here for one reason only and that is to make money out of the geordie public. Best mates with Paul Kelmsley at Spurs and following a model that has seen Spurs spend millions to finish eleventh....well we're spending a fraction of that and will be relegated. I hated Freddie Shepherd, but at least he cared about the club, Mike Ashley has treated it with nothing but contempt!
Luke, as part of the local press (despite the Orient connection) surely you must lobby the fat one for answers, everybody in Newcatle needs to drive this man out of town. Mike Ashley we HATE you! Dennis Wise and your Spanish friends we HATE you too. Your model WILL fail, you will NEVER be accepted by us. All of you, show some respect for the fans and SELL UP!

Posted by: JC  | September 5, 2008 8:49 AM

Jim wrote...

Browsing the internet to keep my mind off happenings at SJP I had a "double take" moment when came across this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:10045196.jpg

For a moment I thought it was DW and MJWA discussing tactics...and then I realised its just another fine mess.

Posted by: Jim  | September 5, 2008 8:53 AM

Tez wrote...

My loyalty is to Newcastle United and Newcastle United is NOT Mike Ashley. We are the club and Keegan was one of us.

My loyalty is to the Geordie nation and we have been betrayed by Ashley. I'm not going back until Ashley leaves.

Posted by: Tez  | September 5, 2008 9:07 AM

the colonel wrote...

This carousel of stupidity shows no sign of abatement - am just exhausted by it all. There is a limit to what we as fans of the club and citizens of Newcastle can be expected to tolerate. Ashley: you have made the biggest mistake of your career. Llambias and Wise will find their positions untenable due to the level of resentment felt towards them. Kev has walked away again, but this time no-one blames him. European management structure? My arse.

Posted by: the colonel  | September 5, 2008 9:42 AM

Beanpole wrote...

After all the anger, confusion and dismay I've felt in the last few days, I'm one of the many left wondering who on earth will want to manage NUFC under the current regime.

What manager of any real substance, talent, experience and ambition will want to have his transfers (in and out) decided for him by a former Chelsea player who lives in London and has no top-level management experience; a couple of glorified scouts with Spanish connections and an MD with zero experience of running a football club, an apparent inability to listen to those who DO know what they are talking about and apparently no interest in communicating his intentions to the fans or the manager??!!

In an effort to appease fans, Ashley needs to make a BIG appointment. And to secure that person, surely he will need to afford the manager more power over team affairs than Keegan had?! If he does so, the question becomes: why could he have not extended that same respect to Keegan this past few days?!

My mood is as dismal and dark as the weather. I suspect we will see some puppet from the continent come in, ultimately fail to find any kind of singular direction due to the sheer cacophony of conflicting voices at NUFC. He will leave. And we go back to square one again.

In the short term, the only power fans have is the power to boycott. Mr Ashley is motivated mainly by the pursuit of money. I doubt he'll listen to letters, messageboards and shouting. But I think he will take notice when his income starts dropping off.

In very crude terms, he is a businessman, we are his customers. Unpalatable as it sounds, that is what the Premier League has become. A business that ignores the feelings of its customers is destined to fail.

To stay away from SJP is not disloyalty to the club. It is a statement of loyalty to the club, its fans, its players and its history.

I honestly believe will have to come to the conclusion that he is not sufficiently equipped (in terms of money, diplomacy or footballing knowledge) to run NUFC. That is the only conclusion we can draw from his first year-and-a-bit in charge. The past few months speak for themselves. Not only that but surely it's not worth all this hassle, Mr Ashley. Surely it's not the jolly you imagined it would be. You have fatally underestimated many facets of NUFC.

He will have to sell. It might be next week, it might be next month, it might be next year. But I do think Mike Ashley will move on.

NUFC Forever.

Posted by: Beanpole  | September 5, 2008 9:53 AM

ActionSteve wrote...

Hang on.
No one individual should ever be bigger than the club, not even Keegan.
All this talk of "I don't support NUFC anymore" cos Keegan has quit is silly.
I'm not trying to extol the board from blame or say that they've been brilliant, and in an ideal world it would have been great if Keegan had been given a blank chequebook and free reign on transfers, but Keegan has quit primarily for his own benefit only. His 'love' for the club and the fans didn't extend far enough for him to put up with an unhappy situation until the end of the season.
If he was truly honest, he would have quit as soon as he knew he wasn't in charge of transfers - but this might have tarnished his rep with the fans who would think he'd bottled it.
If he truly cared for the club and the fans, he could have led the team through the season then left - but the lack of investment means the team would do well to improve on last year, and if they don't get into europe then Keegan's rep with the fans might have been damaged.
Quitting now has almost increased Keegan's standing with the majority of fans, he's made himself a martyr, left with no stains on his character and at the same time practically crippled the board and the club.
Now, I am sad to see Keegan go, and I do believe a manager should choose his own players. But I find this blind devotion to Keegan a bit over the top, and actually damaging to the future of the club, as it would have been if the board had relented and given Keegan whatever he wanted.

PS: If, however, they decide to make Dennis Wise next manager, ignore this post, put KK back on the pedestal and sack the board!

Posted by: ActionSteve  | September 5, 2008 9:55 AM

John Rayner wrote...

Some 20 odd years ago I and my family moved to the North East from Yorkshire. As a proud Yorkshire man I was n't sure about these Geordie Lads. As I got into the area and joined in with my work colleagues I realised that I could safely transfer my fiece pride in being from Yorkshire to being an hounory north easterner ( I appreciated from the off that I couldn't become a proper Geordie ) I soon transferred my football allegiance from Leeds United to Newcastle United and watched the club during the lunatic Mekeeg years, until John Hall took over....At last someone who had the club at heart and understood the Geordie Nation, the pride in being and got total support from the fans. Keegan arrived and the rest is as they say history. The pride I enjoyed was just the best thing ever, it wasn't just about football, it was the lift for the whole region it brought us all together to achieve greatness.........And then it all went wrong again. Are we unable to learn from our mistakes. Never has a Chairman endeared himself to the fans by appearing on the terrace as a supporter what a true breath of fresh air. Then you appointed Dennis Wise as Director of Football and that sent shock waves across the fan base. Can I say at this point that football fans are not void of "independent thought". So what made you think that this appointment was a smart move. If you say the words "Dennis Wise" and "Director of Football" in the same sentence it become illogical. Dennis Wise was an average player at best but he was also a registed "thug" on the pitch. Not just not a player the club shouldn't associate itself with, but not a person the CLub shopuld be associated with.
So what next next, ride out the storm, ignore it it'll all go away, give it time the fans will just trickle back. I'll buy a big name and that'll make everything allright.

For a billionaire, you're not the sharpest knive in the drawer. My fear is that as you have the status of "billionaire" that you perceive yourself to be something of a higher order being. Well Mike, I'm afraid you've missed the point by a mile. Having shed loads of money doesn't buy you anything, not friends, not health, not happiness. It's actually little things that maketh the man. The littl ethings that the average Geordie fan does everyday because it's in his culture, in his very being.
You may have to read tis to Dennis it could be a bit difficult for him. So it's come to this, I think you and Dennis and the rest of your crew should resign immediately and go back down south. Leave us to our flat hats, grime, strange accents, Big market, Toom Army because we absolutely love it and wouldn't change it for the world.

You and your pals have brought the whole Geordie Nation into disrepute. You and your pals will not be forgiven.

I resign - Kind regards - John Rayner

Posted by: John Rayner  | September 5, 2008 10:13 AM

zulu wrote...

To King Kev, I say God Bless, we understand your frustration, and as princpled man, we support your stance.
Although I`m 8,000 miles away I hope that not one supporter steps through the doors to watch the Toon play Hull. Vote this Charlatan out by cutting off his income, boycott his stores. We saw
in South Africa what student power did to Barclays Bank, fans can bring him to his knees very quickly if they stand tall. The southern press must be shown that 'passion and dignity' are not mutually exclusive, as Mike Ashley clearly does not read the Chronicle.

Posted by: zulu  | September 5, 2008 10:33 AM

watson wrote...

luke, if you are a leyton orient fan and what happens at newcastle goes over you head, why are you in charge of a football chat page in the north east?

Note From Luke
I have to admit comments like this Watson really annoy me. Why on earth should the fact I'm not a Newcastle fan mean that events "go over my head." Do you have to be a Newcastle supporter to write about them? Or am I perfectly capable of covering a football club objectively without having took my place on the Gallowgate in 1989?
I love football and I'm as shocked by anyone by what has happened at NUFC, but I was merely pointing out they are not my club in the same way they are for so many of you. Profesionally I'm stunned, but I do not have the same emotional links. Put it this way, was Rob Lee not fit to play for NUFC because he was from London or was he doing a job to the best of his ability?
I've lived in Newcastle for 12 years and I've covered sport in the North-East for eight years. i would argue I'm perfectly qualified to write about the club and be in charge of a blog page - and nobody else seems to mind here either. Sorry Watson, comments like that wind me up, hence my rambling reply!

Posted by: watson  | September 5, 2008 11:14 AM

John Gilroy wrote...

Let me be the first to break the news:

We are about to sign a WOW manager
(translated as some spaniard we have never heard of.)


In the January transfer window we are going to make several WOW signings
(This translates as we are going to sell any player that will raise more than £100-000


In the summer (if we are still in the premiership or not) we are going to make several more WOW signings. i.e. Buy your season tickets now you mugs and maybe we will buy more unheard of players

Posted by: John Gilroy  | September 5, 2008 11:37 AM

Tim B wrote...

What an absolute disgrace. The only hope I hold now is that the Reliance Group will pull their finger out, buy Mike Ashley out and reinstate Kevin Keegan immediately.

Fingers crossed...

Posted by: Tim B  | September 5, 2008 12:04 PM

Commulus wrote...

Divine right of Kevins

How many Kevin Keegans’ are there? Alas only one! But for me the worst thing wasn’t his departure, but the realisation that our new owner had no intentions of doing anything with this club other than sell it! The sheer waste of it all, the time and the expense of our investments, and to shackle supporters to a three year commitment for season tickets now smells of fraudulent scheming!

Such a crying shame that our reclusive, introverted and retiring owner decided to leap out of his moth strewn closet in his beer soaked black and white negligee to conga dance over our hopes.

‘The divine right of Kings’ was surely a thing of the past, I had always advocated the very system that brought about Keegans departure, but the club got it completely wrong, Denis Wise and Tony Jimenez should not have had the power to sell or buy players without the managers approval. They should be subordinate! It makes you wonder how many managers are biting their lips and crossing fingers as they enter press conferences to extol the virtues of a new signing!

I’ve never bought this media perpetuated myth that our supporters are among the most loyal in world football because its not true, I found myself agreeing with a Manure fan who pointed out on a blog, that our support wanes with the same regularity as other clubs starved of success, and through the doldrums and through economic credit crunching plights. While it’s true we support our team in numbers, the present capacity is a gate you would expect for a mediocre club with no rival in its catchment area. (Sunderland people support Sunderland everyone else has a choice) A successful club would see the necessity of a larger stadium. Fans have been drifting since the fall back from ‘the enlightenment’ due to the lack of investment in the Shepherd years. Most people who follow the fortunes but do not attend still consider themselves as fans because this is the link between the club the City/conurbation and region, the clubs crest is the City’s crest! It captures you and despite some of the posters saying they have had enough and it’s the final straw, they will still look in, because it’s not a commodity like a brand of washing powder which you can change.

Is this the end for Ashley’s regime, well, we all hope so? One thing is certain in the midst of all of this uncertainty is that if he or his glove puppet shows their faces anywhere near this City it will be a show of bluster behind a posse of bodyguards? It should be newsworthy stuff for Rupert Murdoch’s press gang!

It seems to me that our club is becoming a distant untouchable entity, owned and managed from London, with Londoners running everything inside it. Not understanding what it is, what they have or what it is they represent, or indeed what their responsibilities are That’s the difference, that’s why a Manure fans don’t dance to the cameras, they cant touch their touch their club like we can!

Posted by: Commulus  | September 5, 2008 12:04 PM

Tim B wrote...

Can I suggest that we all start emailing the Reliance Group to implore them to step in, buy the club from Ashley and reinstate KK?

Email: contact@relianceada.com

---

Respectful message to Mr Anil Ambani

Please come and save Newcastle United FC by buying out Mike Ashley, replacing the board, sacking Dennis Wise, Jeff Vetere and Tony Jimenez, and reinstating Kevin Keegan as Manager of the club. You could not possibly get a more favourable reaction to a takever from the Newcastle United fans - you would be afforded a hero's welcome.

Posted by: Tim B  | September 5, 2008 12:15 PM

Duncan Baines wrote...

I don't think the thousands who didn't go to the Bolton home game are 'the loyalest in world football'

Posted by: Duncan Baines  | September 5, 2008 12:15 PM

True Mag wrote...

There is part of me that wishes there was a game at SJP this weekend so Ashley and the clowns around him can get a full feel for how angry we all are at what has happened to Kevin Keegan. I'm worried that, by next weekend, the club will have a new high-profile manager in place and the mood of protest will have died down a little because people will feel it is unfair to the new manager to be protesting about the treatement of his predecessor. I best Ashley, Wise etc are just sat at home, laughing about keeping their heads down for a while. Ashley isn't going to sell up, no chance, he'll just sit in the director's box from now on and ride out the storm. I hope I'm wrong, but I'm thoroughly depressed. If anyone is out in town tonight, I'll be the one mumbling to myself about ripping Dennis Wise' head in two with a kebab spilt into my lap. If ever there was a Friday night to drown my sorrows, this is it!

Posted by: True Mag  | September 5, 2008 12:31 PM

George Hetherington wrote...

I agree with actionsteve. Blind faith and total obsession with KK is more likely to cause further damage to the club. There are always two sides to a story and few supporters seem to be able to recognise that. From the statements issued negotiations were still in progress but KK walked. Had he really put the club first he would have kept up the pressure tried to get the best deal and then kept his job and worked for the club that he said was ' a part of him'. KK is unable to cope with the pressures of management, has probably been out too long to understand the changes in management systems of modern football, so he quits as he has done in the past. I said from the start it was the wrong appointment and I am really sorry that I was correct. Like many of you I had high hopes for the future even though with doubts in the back of my mind. KKK is not NUFC nor could he ever have been why can supporters not realise this. MA owns the club it is his absolute right to run it in any way that he thinks best. As a business man he will apreciate the value of his customers and would not have done anything deliverately to lose them. Let's remember that none of us were in any of the discussions and do not really know who said what. I shall be at all future games, with the shirt, and trying to give the players all the support that I can and that is what I think all 'true' supporters should be doing. In fact there is no other option if you care about the future of the club. None of you have the power to get rid of MA or any of his managers. I have no doubt that MA has learnt from what has happened and will act according to his instincts, that is how he progressed from 'barrow boy' to billionaire.
Get the shirts on and down to the ground to urge the team on to victory over Hull. Howay the Lads.

Posted by: George Hetherington  | September 5, 2008 12:46 PM

George Hetherington wrote...

One thought I forgot to mention. I wonder how much KK's stance over Barton had to do with his conflict with MA and the board? It was reported, perhaps incorrectly that MA wanted Barton out (and who could blame him). KK's stance over Barton did not do the club any favours in the eyes of the people who did not support the club!! MA would not have liked that bad pr.

Posted by: George Hetherington  | September 5, 2008 12:52 PM

Geoff Forster wrote...

I support boycotts of games, merchandise, Sports Direct (Nationwide! other clubs fans too please).

Reliance Group please buy out Ashley.

e-mail
Mr Anil Ambani as suggested by Tim B

Also any lawyers reading this?
Is there anyway fans can take a group lawsuit to cancel season tickets and get a refund or legally cancel direct debits?

Posted by: Geoff Forster  | September 5, 2008 12:53 PM

Edmond Dante wrote...

This is a mess. In 22 or so years of watching Newcastle I thought I'd seen some messes, but man, this is a real mess.
It somehow feels different to the others though, Bobby sacked, The two prats mouthing off to a reporter in an obvious disguise, even Keegan leaving the first time. Never have I seen such open rebellion discussed in pubs/ on forums/on TV etc. It's almost as if the cumulative weight of years of bad decisions and having our intelligience insulted has finally crushed supporters spirit. If Ashley appoints Wise, even in a short lived caretaker role, it would be the equivalent of Marie Antoinnette saying "Let them eat cake".

There's a storm brewing, and I don't mean in the sky.

Posted by: Edmond Dante  | September 5, 2008 1:07 PM

bren wrote...

let's just hope the fans do as they say and boycott the Hull game to let Mr.Ashley know what Kevin means to this club and indeed this city.Who will be fool enough to want to work for him (Ashley) now.

Posted by: bren  | September 5, 2008 1:15 PM

Sy wrote...

What a sorry state of affairs. There have been plenty of angry posts, boycott talk and whatnot, so I'll say something else.

Despite being fully aware of the risk of jumping out of the frying pan and into the fire, I find myself hoping for this rumoured interest from Mr Ambani to be true and prove successful. I can see no feasible alternative to restore order and start the long road to lifting the current negativity that once again surrounds the club.

From where I stand, Kevin Keegan was the only thing keeping club morale high and ambitious amongst players and fans alike, despite the disappointing transfer window. I now fully expect performances to drop, points to be lost, and our hopes for a top 6 or top 8 finish well and truly destroyed, and as things stand now, our good old home of 13th is looking pretty acceptable.

I also fully expect Michael Owen to be gone in January, unless the management structure is revamped by a takeover by the likes of Reliance. Owen isn't stupid, and unlike some others past and present like Shearer, Given & Harper, has no real attachment to the club which will see him stick with us through thick and thin - and I wouldn't blame him one bit. Sadly, he's our most high profile player and best goal threat, and without him and Keegan and the players they could help to attract, things will fall away to the point where instead of our annual goal being European qualification, the goal will be survival or a mid-table finish...a la Middlesborough, Wigan, Bolton and the like.

One of the biggest curiosities of this transfer policy is that it has the potential to work, but not in the way Ashley has set it up. No-one can argue the fact that Jonas Gutierrez & Fabricio Coloccini have vastly improved our team, with Jonas' attitude looking likely to have helped squad morale also. Keegan said himself after the Manchester United draw when asked about Wise that he'd be happy if Wise found him another couple of this quality.

I can't even say that I disagree with everything they've tried to do. £12m for James Milner is great business when you consider that Manchester City picked up Shaun Wright-Phillips for £8m-9m. £1m-2m and saving £60k a week by selling Alan Smith to Everton would have also been good business in my opinion. But the manner in which they are reported to have done this is what's led to this entire mess. But you can't ship players out of a small squad without lining up and securing replacements, which is what they've done with Milner and what they would've done given the chance with Owen, Smith & Barton.

"Kevin, we've been watching [insert player name] at [insert club here] and think he'd be a good signing. We also think we could get him at a good price. How about coming to watch him?" - How hard is that? Not the cloak and dagger operation they've turned it into.

Instead, it's obvious that Kevin has been told things which haven't materialised. Why else would he come out in front of the world following the sale of Milner and say that by Monday night it would be clear that the sale was a positive move? He clearly expected to and was told that they'd be signing players on Deadline Day which more than covered Milner's departure. This didn't happen which has made him feel like a liar, a mug and led to the fallout which has befallen the club.

At the end of the day, I don't want this negativity at my club. I'm sick of it, and that's why I've found myself praying for Mr Ambani. It's not like he could do any worse than Ashley...could he?

Posted by: Sy  | September 5, 2008 1:44 PM

Steve Taylor wrote...

Good God!
The whole thing is a shambles, Wise, Poyet or whoever else is brought in will struggle to prevent a slide this season - Wise is clearly public enemy #1 anyway - Ashley and his sycophants are arrogant and clueless. But for Gods sake can we stop this 'Geordie Nation' rubbish?! Even if said in jest its just grating! Fans appear on TV whinging about the 'London media' poking fun at us and delighting in the whole mess. Well of course they do! And if people are going to act like puerile parochial bairns over the whole thing its a story for any hack who knows that thickos all over the country will lap this sort of thing up! It goes with the territory...

Lets get some perspective. KK's demise is saddening, and the alternatives seem either unrealistic or ill-advised. Espesh if they have to endure meddling in their team-building plans. Alan Shearer will not accept it and why should he be offered it? Its more desperate wing and a prayer stuff by fans who cling to this Geordie Messiah ideal. STOP!! I would prefer an experienced manager with a calculating approach who can bypass all of the emotive stuff. Someone with iron-will and no particular loyalties. I sometimes think KK was too loyal to some players in both of his stints and he was never going to have carte blanche to get the "wow" signings that were alluded to. For all of that I have no idea who a decent replacement would be but we can forget about the likes of Rijkaard or anyone of merit whilst this 2 tier structure remains.

The only way forward it would seem is if the owner sells up to people who want to be a bit more realistic about controlling a football club and get rid of the faddish mentality of having an extra management layer which has NEVER worked at any Prem Lge club. Would Wenger or Fergie wear this sort of bullsh*t? Would they hell! And which 2 managers are in charge of the 2 most stable clubs in Europe? There you go.
Alas I fear Ashley is a perverse character who will revel in this sort of atmosphere for the short-term, but probably just not visibly in the stand! Similarly Wise trades off friction and while I hope the fans do show their dissatisfaction, anything occurring on a match day will just affect the players and probably guarantee a succession of defeats. Financial protest is the best way but boycotting any Ashley related merchandise, club shops and buying toon shirts is going to have little impact in the short-term. Basically, fingers crossed he will sell up sooner rather than later but what damage before then? There surely cant be a way forward with him at the helm. And who the f*ck is Derek Llambias?! Seldom seen, I have the impression from the odd photo of another weak-chinned bureaucrat of the kind who was in situ in dark, dark days of the past. Too many of these to$$ers kicking about, Peter Kenyon-a-likes who look as if theyre manufactured in a basement somewhere. Brimming with machismo at being involved in the cut n thrust of sport but probs havent ever kicked a ball in their life. Plebs...

Posted by: Steve Taylor  | September 5, 2008 2:17 PM

Restless Native wrote...

ActionSteve ... appreciate you're trying to strike a balance in all of this madness and that you probably love the club as much as me - unless you're a Mackem wind-up merchant - but frankly what you've written is total crap in my opinion. It's not about Keegan being bigger than the club - it's about Ashley & Co NOT BEING WORTHY OF THE CLUB. Being able to afford it is not the same as being worthy of it.

All Keegan has done is to act with integrity - the same thing he's done his entire career. To suggest he's (a) let down the club and fans or (b) somehow benefitted personally from this situation is ludicrous. The reality is that he's blown the whistle on an inept, negligent regime at significant personal expense. He has walked away from a very lucrative contract - which I understand he badly needed - and faces potential legal action against himself for breach of contract. Furthermore, he is unlikely to ever work in the game again, given the perception that now surrounds him. And why? Because the club he loves is being mismanaged to such a degree that he could stomach it no longer. Keegan's post-Milner support for the board - probably against his better judgement - was a proud man praying putting faith in those that had made promises to him. Ultimately, he was completely shafted.

I know a bit about employment law and in any other walk of life, based upon what I understand took place on transfer deadline day, Kevin UNDOUBTEDLY has grounds to claim constructive dismissal. NUFC have fundamentally breached his trust. Personally, I hope he successfully sues Ashley's fat ass off!

At times like these, what we fans shouldn't do is turn on each other. We all face a decision of conscience. Some will continue to attend games and support the club, because they feel like they owe it to the team. I totally understand that. Personally, after 25 years of loyalty, I feel that enough is enough and want to bring about change. I see the only effective option open to me is to hit the club's revenue streams. I won't go to mathes, I won't purchase merchandise and I have cancelled my satellite sports subscription. The moment Ashley and Co are gone, I will back the club 100% again financially. Until then, it'll remain only in my heart.

Posted by: Restless Native  | September 5, 2008 3:00 PM

Anonymous wrote...

George Hetherington - "MA owns the club it is his absolute right to run it in any way that he thinks best".

And it is my absolute right to have nothing to do with the club until Ashley is out.

I find criticism of Keegan in the midst of all of this amazing. Have you forgotten already the state our squad is in? We will be lucky not to be dragged into a relegation fight.

And if my boss got rid of members of my team behind my back, and recruited other people to work for me who i didn't know or want, I don't think I'd hang about - no matter how much I loved my colleagues, the firm or my customers.

Don't believe the hype - the club statement about KK walking away mid-negotiation was purely for legal reasons.

Ashley is scum.

Posted by: Anonymous  | September 5, 2008 3:25 PM

Tony Poolan wrote...

After over 40 years this is the final straw. It isn't about whether Kevin Keegan is/was the greatest manager in the world, whether he really would make the club competitive or not or out of any loyalty to Kevin himself - it is about principle or rather the lack of them.

As long as Mike Ashley is in charge my season ticket will sit in a drawer - I foolishly renewed against my better instincts - no matter who is appointed.

I just pray that enough of us have the same view and that we hit him where it really hurts - in the pocket.

Posted by: Tony Poolan  | September 5, 2008 3:37 PM

Little Lord Fauntleroy wrote...

I have to swim against the majority tide and agree with ActionSteve.

Yes, it's a shambles, yes, it's a farce and yes, Mark Lawrenson will have a field day on Football Focus tomorrow. However, Keegan is renowned for buckling under pressure. He's walked away without even trying to battle. He was scared that his reputation would be tarnished.

That doesn't mean I support the board, in fact it's quite the opposite. Derek Llambias looks like a Council Worker, Dennis Wise is an arrogant idiot and Mike Ashley has made a grievous misjudgement. He has no option other than to sell.

For all 'fans' that say they won't return, shame on you. The team is the most important thing here, talk of relegation is ridiculous and is only going to demoralise players and coaching staff all the more.

Boycott NUFC products, but not the team. Ashley et al won't care if the seats are empty, the only real way we can give him the message is to hit him in the pocket.

Posted by: Little Lord Fauntleroy  | September 5, 2008 4:09 PM

zebra wrote...

As a life long NUFC supporter I am dismayed by events this week. What has happened to my beloved club??? It now seems clear to me (if it was ever in doubt) that the current owner and his regime are not the one’s to take NUFC forward. A new buyer needs to be found quickly. I seriously fear that the club will implode. Why should the players show any loyalty to the Ashley regime if there are any truth in the rumour that any of them could be bought before the close of the transfer window. I would not blame any of them for looking to ship out come January if Ashley & Co are still in situ. Also, given this week’s debacle, and the fact that the club has had 6 managers in the last 4 years just who would want to manage us now??? Michael Owen will certainly not sign a new contract now if he was ever going to in the first place, I doubt it.

I totally understand KK’s position was untenable but the timing of his resignation could not have come at a worse time for the players and fans. Given his loyalty to the club and fans I can only assume that his relationship with Wise et al had irretrievably broken down.

As to boycotts…………..I firmly believe we need to back the players to the hilt, we should not desert them or our club. Season ticket holders should continue to attend matches and back the players, urge them to perform for us. I strongly support the idea of hitting the club’s owners where they will feel it most keenly – FINANCIALLY. The most powerful protest will be to spend no money in the ground; we should not buy food, drink, or a match programme when attending matches. Do not spend in the club shops’, buy any official club merchandise from any source, and boycott Ashley’s retail empire. Additionally, cancel any NUFC credit cards, do not use SJP for functions, do not attend if invited. Do not log onto the club’s official web site. We should also continue to bombard the club, sky news/sky sports news, BBC, etc with petitions, emails, and letters. All of these things should continue until we ‘encourage’ the present owners to sell up. We must keep our campaign in the media spotlight. All these things will only work if the fans stand together and collectively buy in to this for the long term.

Display placards and banners of Ashley and the Board out at matches. Instead of wearing club shirts why don’t all supporters, attending all matches, until Ashley goes where tee shirts with the message ASHLEY OUT written boldly across the front and/or hats. The media and others will be unable to ignore the message.

We should continue to support the club and players but not the owner and his regime.

I am totally sickened by the joke NUFC has become nationally. For me enough is enough. Things will only change if we do not continue to display the blind loyalty that we have in the past. We must act to save out football club.

I will turn out to support my club but will not give the current owners a penny more of my money.

Posted by: zebra  | September 5, 2008 4:39 PM

Sol51 wrote...

The asumption that all Geordies support Newcastle and all Newcastle supporters are Geordies just beggars belief.

Sir John Hall's 'Geordie Nation'? My ample backside!

Tyneside. The hard core of Sunderland support.

Posted by: Sol51  | September 5, 2008 4:49 PM

Allan Gardiner wrote...

It will do no good trying to get at Ashley. The city hate him and his own shareholders hate him. He will soldier on till he gets a buyer and leave with a healthy profit.

Posted by: Allan Gardiner  | September 5, 2008 5:39 PM

Bert Shaft wrote...

Have any of you journalists at Thomson House any idea when any of the faceless COWARDS that run Newcastle UNited will appear in public to explain their actions. If not, will you ask them to do this?

Note From Luke
We have been trying to secure an interview with a member of the Newcastle hierarchy for sometime now but we will certainly continue to try Bert.

Posted by: Bert Shaft  | September 5, 2008 7:51 PM

Siomi wrote...

It is a mystery why the Abu Dhabi investment company didn't make a bid for Newcastle instead of City. They claim to want to make City into one of the best and most recognised and marketable clubs in the world.

But excuse me, the brand name of 'Manchester' is already taken and is already there at the top!! Surely a more logical choice would have been us? An exciting style of play, a world-wide fanatical fan base and a distinctive strip and brand.

I do hope that the thoughtless and inappropriate chants against Mido last season didn't give them the idea that we are all racist and anti-Arab.

We can only hope the Indians can see the real warmth and passion of the Geordie nation and buy out the fat one.

And spare a thought for our players. What are they thinking at this moment? I wonder where their motivation will be to turn out against the banana peel that is Hull. THEY deserve our support.

Posted by: Siomi  | September 5, 2008 8:27 PM

RAY WILSON wrote...

Hi Luke. What a terrible week. When King Kev came back to us I stayed up all night having a party-I am 67 years old and I have stood on the terraces since I was a very young boy-I left Tyneside for work and her indoors reasons as a young lad of 20 -but I have never lost my loyalty to Newcastle United. The world has crashed around us this week -It was just fantastic knowing that King Kev was back with us again-though deep down the constant mistrust of Ashley and Wise always remained a haunting thought in my mind. The unthinkable has now happened and this week has been one of the most depressing I can ever remember. I cannot now see any way forward out of this mess-and we have to not only assume -but accept the worst regarding Ashley and Wise -trying to flog Michael Owen 2 hours before the close of the transfer window says it all-what hope do we now have of even getting some semblance of stability back to our club-actions speak louder than words and trying to sell our best asset says it all. Ashley and wise have no feeling for the club or the supporters. I am so very sad to see Kevin go he will always have a place in our hearts.I just do not know having paid for my season ticket for yet another year whether I can ever be in the frame of mind again to make the 375 mile round trip from my home to watch our home games any more.I do not think I have ever been capable of hating any one in the whole of my life but for perhaps the very first time I can say with certainty I hate Ashley and Wise and I will never forgive them for what they have done to King Kev.

Posted by: RAY WILSON  | September 5, 2008 8:33 PM

paul fitzpatrick wrote...

Ashley has brought this on himself.. he has insulted the Gerodie nation for the last time

Posted by: paul fitzpatrick  | September 6, 2008 6:32 AM

watson wrote...

obviously my point got through to you hence your indignant 'rambling reply'. as far as rob lee was concerned he was 100% for newcastle .

Posted by: watson  | September 6, 2008 9:52 AM

|Ron Gray wrote...

On top of everything else I now learn that you are not of the area and cannot back us because you are not an NUFC supporter.

I stupidly always thought our local papers employed reporters of NUFC to be one of us and to speak on our behalf.

Can you not see we have had enough of Cockneys especially this week and to find out we have you ,another one, commenting on our team beggars belief.

Never again will the Journal be brought into this house.

When the Cockney contingent go as they surely will then have the courtesy to join them and let us have someone reporting on us who is one of us and actually cares.

I am nearly as annoyed at finding out about you as I am about the rest of the week.
And to think I get peed off with Oliver.At least he belongs.

GO AWAY
Please have the guts to show this to The Editor. On 2nd thoughts I will do it myself.

Posted by: |Ron Gray  | September 6, 2008 10:18 AM

Vikram Aggarwal wrote...

Ashley by his own admission did no due diligence when he bought the club and seemingly he did none when he appointed HIS man - Kevin Keegan. Can he not see that appointing Wise, effectively above him, who hasn't achieved 1 percent of what keegan did as a player or manager is an insult of the highest order and a disaster waiting to happen? The job of an owner/Chairman is to create an environment in which the manager can flourish, so is not obvious that u should seek buy-in from the Manager on the recruitment process and internal management structure? Foolish appointments, undefined roles and zero communication with Manager and fans has been the hallmarks of this regime, making the current situation both predictable and inevitable.

We had a made a bright start to the season with meagre resources and now we have another season of discontent and transition. Keegan asked for a left back and a replacement for Milner. Instead he gets a kid with potential (how many times have we heard that?) and a guy on loan- was this the 'wow' signing Ashley had told his corporate bods about (but hadn't even bothered to tell KK!!)?- idiotic and spineless. Under Keegan we were Newcastle UNITED, now its Ashley Inc - a business, not a club - and not one i would like to support, therefore I will not be attending the Hull game and not attending anymore away games or buying a single item of 'club' merchandise. Keegan loved this club more than anyone, served us well as a player and even better as a manager (two 2nd place finishes is harder than getting lucky in a cup comp). Most of all, he was willing to fight his chairman to take the club forward, was always frank and honest to the fans and had an ability to motivate and galvanise the players, his own staff and the fans like no else. He has our unequivocal support and whatever flimsy explanation we get offered by this pathetic Board will surely fall on deaf ears. A crying shame, that a great manager and greater man has felt complelled to leave the club he loves....

Posted by: Vikram Aggarwal  | September 6, 2008 10:36 AM

Restless Native wrote...

All it takes for evil to flourish, is for good men to do nothing.

To all supporters who have tried to apportion blame to Keegan, who have argued against a boycott, who have said they must continue to support the team on the field no matter what - one question ... DO YOU STILL WANT MIKE ASHLEY IN CHARGE OF OUR CLUB?

If you don't, please think about what message you'll be sending the board by continuing to support the club as you've always done.

I understand your sense of loyalty, I feel the same, I really do, but hasn't a red line been crossed by the board this time? It's not just the Keegan issue, we have been SYSTEMATICALLY DECEIVED from the moment Ashley took control of the club. Now, he is simply playing games with us by issuing misleading propoganda - in the knowledge that there's a good chance our blind loyalty will mean enough of us swallow it. I don't want to be made a mug of - do you?

We have to secure the LONG TERM future of our club. Sadly, this may be at the expense of short term issues - like whether our absence from the ground unsettles the players, and whether we get 3 points against Hull.

If the attendance at the Hull game is respectable, make no mistake, the board will be emboldened. We will be stuck with Ashley and his vile cronies for as long as HE decides. No decent manager will want to come to us while they're there. No great players will sign. And the likelihood is, the few great ones we've got will vote with their feet come January. Actually, they'll probably be part of a board initiated fire-sale anyway.

We have one chance to create some momentum for change. One chance to influence future events. One chance to send Ashley a resounding message so that he's under pressure to sell. Direct action is the only tool we have. And staying away from Hull is really the only tangible and highly visible signal that will be reported. We need to play the media game to win - not buying merchanidse can be covered up.

So, for me, the only question to think about when deciding what to do is ... DO YOU STILL WANT ASHLEY IN CHARGE?

I know my answer - NOT MY BOARD.

Posted by: Restless Native  | September 6, 2008 11:13 AM

Andy wrote...

OK -i'm going to go against popular opinion and say this.

THE ONLY MISTAKE MA MADE WAS APPOINTING KEEGAN IN THE FIRST PLACE ! (oh and obviously dennis wise as well)

Let me explain. Everyone seemed to have signed up to the idea of getting the debt down and stopping the Hollywood signings. KK was never the man to implement this plan - he talked of signing Henry and Lampard.

MA wanted to reduce the ludicrous wage bill - KK wanted to meet Owens wage demands despite each goal he scored to date having cost £1m + (taking into account wages and signing fee).

A majority of the fans wanted Barton (in my opinion the biggest single disgrace at nufc) out of the club (kk disagreed)

A majority of fans wanted Smith sold (kk disagreed).

The future of the club everyone agreed was the development of the Youth team plus up and coming domestic and foreign talent. If people are honest - what on earth does KK know about foreign emerging talent - he spent the last 3 years at a 'circus' in Glasgow. As for the youths - KK is the guy who scrapped the reserves first time around. KK was never the man to execute on this plan.

MA has spent £250m on the club - but KK wanted ultimate control over capital expenditure. No businessman/owner is going to agree to that. People talk of what would Shankly or Clough had said -but this is silly - they were never making £40m decisions. Owens fee £15m plus salary was a £40m decision (Robinho was a £70m decision). Would any fan let someone else spend even £1000 of their money without their ultimate say so?

All this tak of resigning being a fan - this is the club of 100 years of tradition, the city, 4 league titles, cup tradition, Gallagher, Milburn, Shearer - Nufc has always been more than any one man. People forget KK had already walked out on nufc before ( not to mention Fulham, City and England) it was only a matter of time. Get a grip. Fans should get to the Hull City game - protest against the owner/ wise/ whoever before and after the game. For 90 minutes support the black and white shirts (the only true constant).

I bitterly opposed to KK's appointment - it was born of nostalgia and history from the fans married to MA's cynical attempt at popularism. As expected the club ended it worse off than it started.

MA is having to make good on NUFC having lived beyond its means for 15 years - started ironically under KK's second coming. My personal view is that KK was always likely to walk once he realised that the BIG 4 had gone over the hill and MA did not have the appetite to spend a further £250m of his money to chase them. KK is and always has been a dream chaser - there is little in mid table attrition to get excited about.

The problem for MA now is that the KK dispute means he is finished at nufc. So the attempts to get nufc onto a long term footing are back in the waste paper basket. This is in my opinion a direct result of the 'consequences of appointing KK' - as i say the true mistake (excluding Wise).

Posted by: Andy  | September 6, 2008 11:40 AM

ron gray wrote...

You really are missing the point about your position arent you.We were obviously naive regarding you.We want our reporters/commentators to be completely biased toward NUFC and be exactly like us in praising or condemning just like we would. But not with a Cockney hat on. I will treat your Robert Lee comment with the contempt it deserves and would instead refer you to the present Cockney incumbents at NUFC and ask you to align yourself with them when talking about "good jobs". Is that a better comparison.
As for saying nobody minded they will be like me and only found out your background today.
Yes I am very very perochial and insular so get back to where you belong.
Having found out more about you I am detesting you more by the minute.

Note From Luke
Good effort Ron, thanks for your feedback, but if you deteste me so much you won't be back to read this reply anyway will you? I really think you are missing the point I was making, just because I'm not a fan does not mean I do not care about what has happened.

Posted by: ron gray  | September 6, 2008 1:03 PM

John Moore wrote...

However much I love my club and what Keegan meant to us I would like to point out a few facts.
1.Managers come and go, it is nufc which I support and will continue to support.
2. Ashley I believe will have to sell, to lose the support of the club he will only now be able to look on this as a financial investment and not some fun ride. The longer he stays the worst that investment will become.
3.The club must thank him though for getting rid of Shepherd, making the club financially stable and trying to put some structure into the club.

I think losing Mort has probably been the main catalyst of what has happened and wish we could have him back with Keegan.

Finally just for discussion if the boys from spain were not Keegans choices but Wise, who here thinks they are poor choices.

Posted by: John Moore  | September 6, 2008 4:23 PM

neil Johnson wrote...

Like so many others I feel this is a low point below all the others I've endured since 1958 when I first made my pledge. I lived in the East Midlands during the years Clough was securing trophies for Derby & Forest; each Saturday catching the train northwards to wear my heat lay. Fifty years of sadness is enough - the lack of integrity & honesty surrounding St James is overwhelming - quite beyond belief.Sometimes I wish my boyhood had been a long way from South East Northumberland - I would not have black & white eyes constantly filled with tears. Oh what now? I honestly don't know but I'm keeping my money in my pocket for present that is for certain.There really is nothing good on the horizon for a long long time, if ever.And what is more- sadly everyone reading this knows my words are too true!! Galloway based Mag.

Posted by: neil Johnson  | September 6, 2008 5:46 PM

RAY WILSON wrote...

HI Luke. So sad to read those awful comments pertaining to your background as a Londoner and more so as a professional please also let the editor read mine so as he is aware not all Londoners are like Ashley and Wise in all of our eyes. I am cheered slightly {only slightly } by the support I have received from pals who support Arsenal and Spurs also many Liverpool and Everton fans who are also disgusted with Ashley and Wise. I know from my point of view you have always reported on North east happenings with a sincere and professional approach and some of us would like to thank you for that and there is nothing wrong in supporting Leyton Orient-at least like us you remain true to your roots -that should be admired -not frowned upon. I am praying for King Kevs return. Kind Regards Ray Wilson.

Note From Luke
Thanks Ray. I have to admit the nature of some of the recent critcism - bearing in mind I was the only "local" journalist to be banned by Freddie Shepherd for criticising his regime - and have been as critical - if not more so - of recent events than anyone else working in the media is ridiculous. However, I've always said that this blog will allow people to express their opinions, honestly and forthrightly. Some obviously don't like the fact I wasn't born and bred a Geordie and they are entitled to that opinion - as much as it irritates me!

Posted by: RAY WILSON  | September 6, 2008 10:19 PM

Graham wrote...

Some pretty vile stuff on here about Londoners and Cockneys especially the stuff aimed at Luke. I thought it was a football blog not a hate fest against anyone from the south. It's particularly dumb as calling Ashley a cockney is about as accurate as calling Tony Blair a geordie.

Posted by: Graham  | September 7, 2008 9:21 PM

Edmond Dante wrote...

This blog has gone off on a weird tangent has it not?

So, despite making absolutley no secret of it, someone is outraged that Mr Edwards is not a local chap.

Neither is Kevin Keegan. Neither was Joe Harvey.

Our friends Ashley, Wise and Llambias have not made recent decisions because of where they are from, but because of what type of people they are.

Posted by: Edmond Dante  | September 8, 2008 12:56 PM

John Gilroy wrote...

In reply to what Siomi wrote.

Of course the Arabs looked at buying NUFC it is inconcievable that they didnt. After all Ashley has been touting the club around recently.

I would assume that Ashley:-
(a) wanted to sell a minority interest, or
(b) was looking for too much money.

(c) Or both of the above

If this is true you can probably kiss goodbye to anyone else taking the club over.

Posted by: John Gilroy  | September 8, 2008 12:58 PM

Andy wrote...

Luke -please ignore the xenophobic claptrap of a few of the imbeciles on here.

As an exile it is easier to relate to your comments than some of the more insular fans. In my opinion you write well informed /well researched articles/blogs which are newcastle concentric and sympathetic whilst retaining a degree of objectivity.

If people want propaganda they should go to blog on the tyne - the same blog which has dismissed for months rumours of KK/MA rifts and shi*e from the anti Geordie southern press.

I do not understand some of our fans- they want to spend half their time calling the national press/ phones telling them how unique we are and the other half of the time adopting a siege mentality telling all 'foreigners' to butt out.

Posted by: Andy  | September 8, 2008 2:13 PM

Lancs-lad wrote...

Guys & Girls, the solution it simple, I know it going to be hard but stop going to a few home games on mass and when the income stops and dry’s up Ashley will have no option but to put the club up for sale.
Simple really

Posted by: Lancs-lad  | September 13, 2008 3:23 PM

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